Sullivan, Sir Arthur (1842 -1900)

[Leinster Lass]

You can rectify that, rfg, by opening a new thread under 'Composers'.

Would it then make sense, and be possible, to transfer existing Sullivan material to the new thread?

[french frank]

Would it then make sense, and be possible, to transfer existing Sullivan material to the new thread?

I'm a little confused. What exactly did you want to do - open a second thread about Sullivan?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I'm a little confused. What exactly did you want to do - open a second thread about Sullivan?

I think we can safely leave things as they are. After all, it there are two or more similar threads, they usually get merged.

[Pulcinella]

You can rectify that, rfg, by opening a new thread under 'Composers'.

I'm a little confused. What exactly did you want to do - open a second thread about Sullivan?

I'm even more confused, as we seem to be in the Composers section already!
But the thread title should ideally be changed to the format adopted there: surname first.

[Leinster Lass]

I'm even more confused, as we seem to be in the Composers section already!
But the thread title should ideally be changed to the format adopted there: surname first.

I seem to be gaining a reputation for putting my foot in it and creating confusion! I merely wondered why, as there's 'a 'Composers' section, which seemed to me to be the obvious place to look, Sullivan isn't included although, as I then found out through a bit of googling, people have posted messages about him. I don't know whether this applies to messages about other composers. Mozart appears twice under 'Composers' in connection with specific topics, but Bruckner and Mahler have their own Sub-Forums. Perhaps it was the person who started the thread who was confused?
Sleeping dogs ....

[Pulcinella]

I recently acquired a BBC Music Magazine CD featuring Sullivan's 'The Rose of Persia'. Described by The Times in 1935 as 'a marriage of The Mikado and the Arabian Nights', it can hardly be described as a radical departure from, or advance on, his work with Gilbert, but I nevertheless enjoyed it very much. Sullivan's score is as elegant, witty, delicate and grand in turn as one might expect, and there are a satisfying number of outrageous rhymes, of which my favourite is perhaps 'trotted/garotted'. Apparently it is rarely performed these days, which seems a pity.

(I'm curious as to why I couldn't find 'Sullivan' under the 'Composers' sub-forum- is that the correct term?).

Mentioned earlier in the thread (as no doubt you spotted).

The Rose of Persia (and six overtures) made up an early BBC MM cover disc set (2CDs): vol 7, no 9.
Soloists/Southwark Voices/Hanover Band/Higgins.
Must give it/them another spin.

Also available here in its original CPO form - fascinating to hear Sullivan given the HIPP treatment.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sullivan-Ro...rose+of+persia

A later BBC MM CD (Vol 9, No 7) includes Macbeth Overture (BBCSO/Mackerras), the Cello concerto (Paul Watkins/BBCSO/Mackerras), and what it claims as the world premiere recording of the 1872 Te Deum (London Choral Society/BBCCO/Corp).

[Leinster Lass]

Mentioned earlier in the thread (as no doubt you spotted).





A later BBC MM CD (Vol 9, No 7) includes Macbeth Overture (BBCSO/Mackerras), the Cello concerto (Paul Watkins/BBCSO/Mackerras), and what it claims as the world premiere recording of the 1872 Te Deum (London Choral Society/BBCCO/Corp).

MickyD's link has revealed recordings of other Sullivan works - e.g. 'Haddon Hall' - of which I was unaware - of interest but decidedly pricey!
AHA! I've just found a complete performance of 'Haddon Hall' on YouTube.

[french frank]

I seem to be gaining a reputation for putting my foot in it and creating confusion! I merely wondered why, as there's 'a 'Composers' section, which seemed to me to be the obvious place to look, Sullivan isn't included although, as I then found out through a bit of googling, people have posted messages about him. I don't know whether this applies to messages about other composers. Mozart appears twice under 'Composers' in connection with specific topics, but Bruckner and Mahler have their own Sub-Forums. Perhaps it was the person who started the thread who was confused?
Sleeping dogs ....

Haha - don't worry. I've amended the title. Someone very keen on Mahler, Bruckner requested a separate sub-forum for them, so ever obliging … Usually, if it's a specific current topic relating to, say, Mozart, there are quite a few messages for a while, and then the topic dies. As long as people are posting, it will appear near the top of the What's New list, so it's not really crucial whether it appears in Composers or Talking about Music. Once that horse has been flogged, it will disappear, and if it comes up again a few years later someone can start a new thread. A composer like Sullivan becomes 'popular' now and again and it's best to resurrect the older thread - findable as Pulcie said by surname - hence now changed As you were. Carry on.

[Leinster Lass]

Haha - don't worry. I've amended the title. Someone very keen on Mahler, Bruckner requested a separate sub-forum for them, so ever obliging … Usually, if it's a specific current topic relating to, say, Mozart, there are quite a few messages for a while, and then the topic dies. As long as people are posting, it will appear near the top of the What's New list, so it's not really crucial whether it appears in Composers or Talking about Music. Once that horse has been flogged, it will disappear, and if it comes up again a few years later someone can start a new thread. A composer like Sullivan becomes 'popular' now and again and it's best to resurrect the older thread - findable as Pulcie said by surname - hence now changed As you were. Carry on.

Thank you. I am actually enjoying 'learning the ropes', even though it's already becoming apparent that advice and links from others will in all probability lead to purchases of items that I didn't know I wanted because I didn't know about them.

[LMcD]

I shall be suggesting that our local library purchase a copy of Ian Bradley's newly published biography of Sullivan Apparently he's a bit coy when it comes to some of his subject's extra-musical/marital activities.

[Roslynmuse]

I shall be suggesting that our local library purchase a copy of Ian Bradley's newly published biography of Sullivan Apparently he's a bit coy when it comes to some of his subject's extra-musical/marital activities.

I seem to recall little coyness in Mike Leigh's film, Topsy-Turvy... Shocked, I was...

[LMcD]

I seem to recall little coyness in Mike Leigh's film, Topsy-Turvy... Shocked, I was...

Mr Bradley is an ordained minister, which may explain the absence of certain details. According to the review in Saturday's 'Times', those who are interested - among whom I do not number - can 'read all about it' in an earlier biography.

[Roslynmuse]

Mr Bradley is an ordained minister, which may explain the absence of certain details. According to the review in Saturday's 'Times', those who are interested - among whom I do not number - can 'read all about it' in an earlier biography.

I think that must be Arthur Jacob's tome.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07LCWWMB5/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

[LMcD]

I think that must be Arthur Jacob's tome.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07LCWWM...ng=UTF8&btkr=1

Correction/apology: Richard Morrison's review is in the previous Saturday's 'Times', i.e. 24/04/2021.

[LMcD]

Currently being repeated on Sky Arts but also available online if you missed episodes 1-3: 'Gilbert and Sullivan A Motley Pair', an entertaining and informative series first broadcast in 2010.