Egon Wellesz: 1885-1974

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  • Serial_Apologist
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    • Dec 2010
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    Egon Wellesz: 1885-1974

    Egon Wellesz was the shamefully overlooked "fourth" in the triumvirate of composers making up the Second Viennese School, taking up composition lessons just after Berg and before Webern. Arguably more significant in his achievement in de-coding early Byzantine notation, and thus in the deciphering of the early roots of Euroclassical music in the Middle East, Wellesz was musically and socially an important link between the modernist trends in the first decade of the 20th century to which he himself contributed, being mentored by Bartok, and, later, introducing (or claiming to having introduced) his teacher Schoenberg to Josef Hauer, the actual inventer of 12-tone music, before pursuing an independent aesthetic path whose nearest in style and temperament was possibly fellow Austrian Zemlinsky. It seems to have been as much down to luck as judgement that Wellesz managed to escape the fate of fellow Jewish composers during the Third Reich: from the excellently comprehensive account linked to below, complete with recorded excerpts of music and the composer talking with Derek Cooke, it seems that his worst treatment was at the hands of the wartime and postwar authorities here, where he was exiled for the last 30 plus years of his life, composing music in the tradition of Mahler and Schoenberg and engrossed in his vital research at Oxford.

    A Google search will find many clips of his most representative work, from start to finish of his output, but for starters I cannot recommend the link below too strongly to anyone with an interest in musical history, from its origins to its course through the 20th century.

    Egon Wellesz was undoubtedly one of Vienna’s modernist masters, lost to the city and posterity after exile in 1938. He, along with Alban Berg and Anton Webern made up the original group of… Continue reading →
  • Serial_Apologist
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    • Dec 2010
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    #2
    I thought I would take the liberty of bumping this thread of mine up, in view of the fact that I only posted it very late last night - that being a possible reason it's been overlooked. It would be a shame for this figurehead of musicological research and fine composer in his own right to be ignored, his memory left to languish, here as by the musical world in general, it would seem!

    Egon Wellesz (1885-1974): Der Abend, op.4 (1909/1910).I. PastoraleII. Angelus [03:28]III. Dämmerstunde [11:23]IV. Wind auf der Heide [16:33]Margarete Babinsk...

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    • teamsaint
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      • Nov 2010
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      #3
      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
      Egon Wellesz was the shamefully overlooked "fourth" in the triumvirate of composers making up the Second Viennese School, taking up composition lessons just after Berg and before Webern. Arguably more significant in his achievement in de-coding early Byzantine notation, and thus in the deciphering of the early roots of Euroclassical music in the Middle East, Wellesz was musically and socially an important link between the modernist trends in the first decade of the 20th century to which he himself contributed, being mentored by Bartok, and, later, introducing (or claiming to having introduced) his teacher Schoenberg to Josef Hauer, the actual inventer of 12-tone music, before pursuing an independent aesthetic path whose nearest in style and temperament was possibly fellow Austrian Zemlinsky. It seems to have been as much down to luck as judgement that Wellesz managed to escape the fate of fellow Jewish composers during the Third Reich: from the excellently comprehensive account linked to below, complete with recorded excerpts of music and the composer talking with Derek Cooke, it seems that his worst treatment was at the hands of the wartime and postwar authorities here, where he was exiled for the last 30 plus years of his life, composing music in the tradition of Mahler and Schoenberg and engrossed in his vital research at Oxford.

      A Google search will find many clips of his most representative work, from start to finish of his output, but for starters I cannot recommend the link below too strongly to anyone with an interest in musical history, from its origins to its course through the 20th century.

      https://forbiddenmusic.org/2014/06/0...ten-modernist/
      That's a fabulous looking piece, S_A. Thanks for posting.
      I fear that there is just so much great material available to us these days, that we are spoilt for choice.
      I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

      I am not a number, I am a free man.

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      • Serial_Apologist
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        • Dec 2010
        • 37813

        #4
        Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
        That's a fabulous looking piece, S_A. Thanks for posting.
        I fear that there is just so much great material available to us these days, that we are spoilt for choice.
        Thanks in return, teamy! My solution to the perennial glut lies in luckily having prioritised the picture of music I've had the chance of building up over many decades in some kind of hierarchy of importance. This has inbuilt disadvantages: advancing years combine with increasingly fossilised opinions on things in general, leave me lagging behind currently more favoured opinions, leaving me fighting some kind of rearguard action!

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        • teamsaint
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          • Nov 2010
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          #5
          This is as good a read and listen as a first glance suggests it would be.
          The interviews ( or extracts of) with Wellesz are fascinating, and the text and musical snippets illuminating, certainly for those with minimal knowledge of his life and work.

          Egon Wellesz was undoubtedly one of Vienna’s modernist masters, lost to the city and posterity after exile in 1938. He, along with Alban Berg and Anton Webern made up the original group of… Continue reading →


          Lets help S_A in his rearguard action, whatever it is.......!
          I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

          I am not a number, I am a free man.

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          • Beef Oven!
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            • Sep 2013
            • 18147

            #6
            Thanks very much for posting this thread , Serial_Apologist - a really interesting interesting intro and linked information.

            I'm very keen on Wellesz's music, but don't really know much about him.

            I would strongly recommend his 'Sonnets by Elizabeth Barrett Browning' on Decca (Emerson String Quartet and Renée Fleming).

            I also have his complete symphonies on CPO and string quartets 3, 4 & 6 on Nimbus (Artis Quartet Wien).

            It is a sure bet that after I've gone through this thread and the info in the link, I will be getting the cheque book out again!

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            • greenilex
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              • Nov 2010
              • 1626

              #7
              Visited at the Wellesz house on the Woodstock road when I was studying at St Anne’s opposite. Both were very kind.

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              • LeMartinPecheur
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                • Apr 2007
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                #8
                Originally posted by greenilex View Post
                Visited at the Wellesz house on the Woodstock road when I was studying at St Anne’s opposite. Both were very kind.
                Greenilex: when was this? I glimpsed him from on high in the Sheldonian in Feb 1973 as he sat in his wheelchair when the Melos Ensemble played his Octet along with the Schubert, the instrumentation of which IIRC his was written to match.

                Not sure how often it gets out these days as the convenient concert coupling it was designed to be
                I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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                • ahinton
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                  • Nov 2010
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                  Thanks very much for posting this thread , Serial_Apologist - a really interesting interesting intro and linked information.

                  I'm very keen on Wellesz's music, but don't really know much about him.

                  I would strongly recommend his 'Sonnets by Elizabeth Barrett Browning' on Decca (Emerson String Quartet and Renée Fleming).

                  I also have his complete symphonies on CPO and string quartets 3, 4 & 6 on Nimbus (Artis Quartet Wien).

                  It is a sure bet that after I've gone through this thread and the info in the link, I will be getting the cheque book out again!
                  You still use a CHEQUE BOOK?!

                  Seriously, though, I'm delighted to follow this thread and it's good to see some attention given to Wellesz who is undoubtedly underappreciated.
                  Last edited by ahinton; 28-01-18, 18:11.

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                  • greenilex
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 1626

                    #10
                    LMP: can’t be totally sure but I was still an undergraduate so it must have been 61 - 64.

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