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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30329

    #61
    I woke up at 4am this morning and remembered that I'd missed Tuesday's and Wednesday's CotW so I fetched my laptop and went back to bed to listen to both progs. Certainly the ideal way to concentrate: lying in the dark listening More interesting than the first one (Monday).
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • Beresford
      Full Member
      • Apr 2012
      • 555

      #62
      I thought Friday's episode was very good, and I appreciated Robert Worby's heartfelt comments. Considering that Boulez thought Stockhausen to be the greatest 20th century composer, the only one better than him, it's surprising how little comment there has been on these pages. Perhaps it has all been said before.
      I keep finding more that is innovative and poignant in Stockhausen's music, but I still don't know if it is a goldmine or a minefield.

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      • Beef Oven!
        Ex-member
        • Sep 2013
        • 18147

        #63
        Tuesday and Friday's were best, IMV.

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        • umslopogaas
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 1977

          #64
          There seem to be difficulties in obtaining CDs of Stockhausen's music at present. According to my 2001 edition of The Rough Guide To Classical Music, the CDs are only obtainable from Stockhausen-Verlag at an address in Kurten, Germany. However when my local hifi shop tried to access this to purchase me a 4CD set of one of his works, they failed to make contact, and the only hope seems to be to find a secondhand copy on ebay, or somewhere.

          Incidentally a word of warning to Stockhausen enthusiasts, the complete Stockhausen edition consists not only of all his own works, but all the works of other composers that he conducted. That's a lot of CDs and would set you back at least a thousand quid, if you could find a set for sale.

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          • Quarky
            Full Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 2663

            #65
            Originally posted by umslopogaas View Post
            There seem to be difficulties in obtaining CDs of Stockhausen's music at present. According to my 2001 edition of The Rough Guide To Classical Music, the CDs are only obtainable from Stockhausen-Verlag at an address in Kurten, Germany. However when my local hifi shop tried to access this to purchase me a 4CD set of one of his works, they failed to make contact, and the only hope seems to be to find a secondhand copy on ebay, or somewhere.

            Incidentally a word of warning to Stockhausen enthusiasts, the complete Stockhausen edition consists not only of all his own works, but all the works of other composers that he conducted. That's a lot of CDs and would set you back at least a thousand quid, if you could find a set for sale.
            It appears possible to buy direct over the internet with PayPal or Debit Card:
            Stockhausen CD website. Karlheinz Stockhausen's music, works and history of the famous 20th century composer.

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            • umslopogaas
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 1977

              #66
              Many thanks Oddball, I'll get the hifi shop on the case when they reopen on Tuesday.

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              • Richard Barrett
                Guest
                • Jan 2016
                • 6259

                #67
                Originally posted by umslopogaas View Post
                the complete Stockhausen edition consists not only of all his own works, but all the works of other composers that he conducted.
                The latter category however consists of one CD only, containing the Haydn Trumpet Concerto and Mozart Clarinet Concerto, both with cadenzas by Stockhausen - a very minor part of his output!

                The edition consists of previously-issued material, mostly by Deutsche Grammophon, up to the mid-1980s, after which Stockhausen, despairing of DG's unwillingness to re-release everything on CD, took on the task himself, adding more material (primarily from radio recordings) until currently it's almost a complete survey of his work, and no doubt the Stockhausen Foundation is working on eventually completing it.

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                • Richard Barrett
                  Guest
                  • Jan 2016
                  • 6259

                  #68
                  Now spinning: the films of Stockhausen's seven lectures given at the ICA in early 1972. I first watched the last one, dealing with Mantra, a few weeks ago when preparing to give a talk on that piece; and today while working I thought I'd put on the first (on "musical forming") and I'm now some way into the second (on Mikrophonie I). Now I know all of this music very well and have done for many years and while at one time I would have given a lot to have seen these films, I've been aware of them being on Youtube for a while without thinking I should urgently watch them. However I'm getting a lot out of it, and I think many others would too. He is speaking for a general audience so there's nothing arcanely technical, and takes the time to explain everything in simple and clear terms while at the same time expressing a compulsive fascination with the musical phenomena he's talking about in a way I've always found very attractive. Something that
                  strikes me is that very few composers talk like this nowadays, preferring to get lost in details, or obscurity, or trivia, rather than setting out an all-embracing and yet coherent musical world as Stockhausen does here. From my description you'll know whether this is the kind of thing you're interested in, but I do recommend it to those who might be wondering what his music is all about, as well as those who appreciate now and again a reminder of what a visionary approach to music looks and sounds like.

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                  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                    Gone fishin'
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 30163

                    #69
                    Just for a moment I thought there was going to be a broadcast of Momente to start the New Year.

                    But you're absolutely right: they are wonderfully illustrative and entertaining talks and available on youtube -

                    Talk One, Musical Forming:

                    Karlheinz Stockhausen (1928-2007)The British Lectures - Lecture 1, Part 1 - (Musical Forming) (1972)Duration: 29'49" Lecture 1 - (Musical Forming) (138 minut...

                    Karlheinz Stockhausen (1928-2007)The British Lectures - Lecture 1, Part 2 - (Musical Forming) (1972)Duration: 29'43"Lecture 1 - (Musical Forming) (138 minute...

                    Karlheinz Stockhausen (1928-2007)The British Lectures - Lecture 1, Part 3 - (Musical Forming) (1972)Duration: 37'39"http://tomasolano.com.ar Lecture 1 - (Mus...

                    Karlheinz Stockhausen (1928-2007)The British Lectures - Lecture 1, Part 4 - (Musical Forming) (1972)Duration: 29'43"http://tomasolano.com.ar Lecture 1 - (Mus...


                    Talk 2, MICROPHONIE I (Live Electronic Music):

                    Karlheinz Stockhausen (1928-2007)The British Lectures - Lecture 1, Part 4 - (Musical Forming) (1972)Duration: 29'43"http://tomasolano.com.ar Lecture 1 - (Mus...


                    Talk 3, Moment-Forming and Integration (MOMENTE):

                    Duration: 55'33" Lecture 3 - Moment-Forming and Integration (MOMENTE)Given on February 14th 1972 at the Institute of Contemporary Arts, London. http://tomaso...

                    Duration: 17'16" Given on February 14th 1972 at the Institute of Contemporary Arts, London. http://tomasolano.com.arA "cantata with radiophonic and theatrica...

                    Duration: 25'39" Given on February 14th 1972 at the Institute of Contemporary Arts, London. http://tomasolano.com.arA "cantata with radiophonic and theatrica...


                    Talk 4, Intuitive Music:

                    Duration: 34'01" http://tomasolano.com.arGiven on February 15th 1972 at the Institute of Contemporary Arts, London.This is the second part of the lecture ori...

                    Duration: 48'46" http://tomasolano.comGiven on February 15th 1972 at the Institute of Contemporary Arts, London.This is the second part of the lecture origin...


                    Talk 5, Four Criteria of Electronic Music (KONTAKTE):

                    Duration: 55'19" http://tomasolano.com.arGiven at the Oxford Union on May 6th 1972. The title of the work "refers both to contacts between instrumental and e...

                    Duration: 44'33" http://tomasolano.com.arGiven at the Oxford Union on May 6th 1972. The title of the work "refers both to contacts between instrumental and e...

                    Duration: 36'17" http://tomasolano.com.arGiven at the Oxford Union on May 6th 1972. The title of the work "refers both to contacts between instrumental and e...


                    Talk 6, TELEMUSIK:

                    Duration: 58'27" Given at Essex University on May 7th 1972. http://tomasolano.comThe substance of the work consists of recordings of a variety of traditional...


                    Talk 7, MANTRA:

                    Lecture 7, Part 1 - MANTRA (1973)Duration: 55'56" http://tomasolanomusic.comGiven on July 19th 1973 at the Imperial College in London. Mantra is a compositio...

                    Lecture 7, Part 2 - MANTRA (1973)Duration: 59'28" http://tomasolano.com.arGiven on July 19th 1973 at the Imperial College in London. Mantra is a composition ...

                    Lecture 7, Part 3 - MANTRA - Q and A (1973)Duration: 59'14" http://tomasolano.com.arGiven on July 19th 1973 at the Imperial College in London. Mantra is a co...
                    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                    • Serial_Apologist
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 37710

                      #70
                      Wonderful wonderful wonderful!

                      Thanks ever so much for providing the links, ferney, and Richard for drawing this to our attention.

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                      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                        Gone fishin'
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 30163

                        #71
                        Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                        Wonderful wonderful wonderful!
                        - I think I've just sorted out my "No Hear & Now, but a repeat of the LNotP" disgruntle for tomorrow.
                        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                        • Beef Oven!
                          Ex-member
                          • Sep 2013
                          • 18147

                          #72
                          RB, thanks very much indeed for a very good steer on this.

                          ferney, the links are very much appreciated

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                          • Richard Barrett
                            Guest
                            • Jan 2016
                            • 6259

                            #73
                            I've just finished listening through them all (not actually watching the video very much due to having to work simultaneously on the same computer screen!). I guess that for some interested parties the amount of material might seem a bit daunting. I would recommend starting with the first and most general one, and following this with the last one, on Mantra. From there the talks on Momente and Mikrophonie I in that order would be a good continuation. (I learned a great deal about Momente that I didn't already know, which sent me off to listen again and increased my appreciation of the work considerably.) The "Four Criteria of Electronic Music" seems a bit dated now that almost all electronic music is made with computers; the Telemusik talk is largely about Stockhausen's experiences of Japanese culture and how inspiring he found them; and the "intuitive music" talk is for me the least essential.

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                            • DaisyDog
                              Full Member
                              • Jun 2016
                              • 54

                              #74
                              Too much, too much...

                              I switched off. Too much Schoenberg and Tom Service for me. Not a happy mix. And not ideal daytime music for us homebodies. Especially TS's dreadful trailers repeated ad nauseam. Oh well, it’s back to Mozart CD's for a while.

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                              • Richard Barrett
                                Guest
                                • Jan 2016
                                • 6259

                                #75
                                Originally posted by DaisyDog View Post
                                I switched off. Too much Schoenberg and Tom Service for me. Not a happy mix. And not ideal daytime music for us homebodies. Especially TS's dreadful trailers repeated ad nauseam. Oh well, it’s back to Mozart CD's for a while.
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