Over the weekend I was irritated by forum members who were ( I thought ) unreasonably irritated by Tom Service's presentation of the two TV documentaries but I myself was then irritated by the fact that in the first 90 seconds of his introduction to today's Stockhausen COTW, Donald Macleod managed to mention the Beatles and the "wit" of Thomas Beecham. The whole tone of the programme seemed to plead "please don't switch off".
Stockhausen, Karlheinz (1928-2007) 4-9 Jan
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Originally posted by zola View PostOver the weekend I was irritated by forum members who were ( I thought ) unreasonably irritated by Tom Service's presentation of the two TV documentaries but I myself was then irritated by the fact that in the first 90 seconds of his introduction to today's Stockhausen COTW, Donald Macleod managed to mention the Beatles and the "wit" of Thomas Beecham. The whole tone of the programme seemed to plead "please don't switch off".
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Originally posted by zola View PostOver the weekend I was irritated by forum members who were ( I thought ) unreasonably irritated by Tom Service's presentation of the two TV documentaries but I myself was then irritated by the fact that in the first 90 seconds of his introduction to today's Stockhausen COTW, Donald Macleod managed to mention the Beatles and the "wit" of Thomas Beecham. The whole tone of the programme seemed to plead "please don't switch off".
or the ignorant f*ckwit comments of Beecham?
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Originally posted by zola View PostThe whole tone of the programme seemed to plead "please don't switch off".
There appears to be an overarching desire among the programme makers and presenters not to frighten the horses. One is left with the impression that they are going through the motions...)O Wort, du Wort, das mir Fehlt!
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Originally posted by zola View PostOver the weekend I was irritated by forum members who were ( I thought ) unreasonably irritated by Tom Service's presentation of the two TV documentaries but I myself was then irritated by the fact that in the first 90 seconds of his introduction to today's Stockhausen COTW, Donald Macleod managed to mention the Beatles and the "wit" of Thomas Beecham. The whole tone of the programme seemed to plead "please don't switch off".
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Originally posted by Bax-of-Delights View PostThis also extends to "Breakfast" in which C B-H introduced Gavin Bryars' Agnus Dei from Charlie Haden Requiem with what sounded like a plea for listeners not to turn off. She even read out an email from a listener who didn't like all this "modern stuff"
The feedback I've had suggests intelligent curiosity as much as anything - but there are one or two who appear to make no distinction between Everyday Breakfast and having new music 'foisted' on them: both 'unlistenable'It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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As with others, I have been irritated by presenters' approaches. May I also mention the very possessive attitude of SMP and Tom Service to "their" music.
But when it comes to the Beatles and the Stones, to what extent is it permissible to consider the extra musical Guru status of KHS amongst the pop art fraternity?
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Originally posted by Oddball View PostAs with others, I have been irritated by presenters' approaches. May I also mention the very possessive attitude of SMP and Tom Service to "their" music.
But when it comes to the Beatles and the Stones, to what extent is it permissible to consider the extra musical Guru status of KHS amongst the pop art fraternity?
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Originally posted by Oddball View PostBut when it comes to the Beatles and the Stones, to what extent is it permissible to consider the extra musical Guru status of KHS amongst the pop art fraternity?
But was Stockhausen influenced by the Beatles? Or was it just the other way round? - in which case there doesn't seem to be much reason to emphasise their interest.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Having decided to broadcast this repertoire I wish the Beeb would just get on and do it, instead of going all flabby and apologetic about it. There were plenty of folk who objected to Mozartfest and Bachfest. I don't care for Sibelius that much and Nielsen even less - but I don't see that as a reason to grumble when so much of their music has been featured due to their anniversaries. Admittedly some 'new' music may challenge one's definition of what music is, but that's not a reason to avoid playing it - quite the reverse I would suggest, in the same way that viewing 'new' Art gives an opportunity to think about and discuss opinions.
It's not as if R3 is the only source of music broadcasting these days, so employing the off switch doesn't consign one to silence. Even a technodinosaur like me has CDs and LPs as alternative listening.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostIt's historically not uninteresting that he held that sort of reputation with the pop bands of the time. The Beatles underwent a number of cultural influences.
But was Stockhausen influenced by the Beatles? Or was it just the other way round? - in which case there doesn't seem to be much reason to emphasise their interest.
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Originally posted by DracoM View PostHymnen and Stimmung I have hugely appreciated - real genius, and I stayed with Hymnen to the end - my first hearing.
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quite a lot of the other stuff I thought mannered, lacking editing, and some frankly silly.
I didn't last until the end of Hymnen.
Appreciated but not really enjoyed.
Fascinating programmes this week though.
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