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  • Barbirollians
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 11771

    Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
    I just get annoyed by the constant use of Nimrod as a bleeding chunk. It needs to be heard in context.
    Also its use as a funereal piece - according to Michael Kennedy it was meant to be about discussing Beethoven sonatas on a summer evening with his best friend and publisher Jaeger !

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    • gradus
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 5631

      I think the most moving performance of Nimrod I can recall was by the Israel PO under Barenboim at the Proms some years ago, as an encore and tribute to the recently deceased Jacqueline du Pre.

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      • Pabmusic
        Full Member
        • May 2011
        • 5537

        Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
        Also its use as a funereal piece - according to Michael Kennedy it was meant to be about discussing Beethoven sonatas on a summer evening with his best friend and publisher Jaeger !
        Indeed. Elgar wrote to Jaeger, "I have only seen the good, honest, loveable soul in the middle of you - and the music's not good enough - but nevertheless it was an attempt".

        As for the Beethoven, the first nine notes of the slow movement of the Pathetique appear cyphered into the melody. They're quite obvious, actually, once you are aware.

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        • LMcD
          Full Member
          • Sep 2017
          • 8697

          Originally posted by gradus View Post
          I think the most moving performance of Nimrod I can recall was by the Israel PO under Barenboim at the Proms some years ago, as an encore and tribute to the recently deceased Jacqueline du Pre.
          I used to have an LP of the 'Enigma Variations' and the Brahms 'St Antony' Variations with Pierre Monteux and the LSO. I seem to remember the very fine rendition of 'Nimrod'.

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          • LMcD
            Full Member
            • Sep 2017
            • 8697

            Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
            My favourite version of the cello concerto. But although recorded in stereo and appeared as such on LP, I believe the CD versions are mono, because of deterioration of the stereo master tapes.
            I've just got round to listening to this (the Navarra/Barbarolli Cello Concerto), and must say I'm VERY impressed with both the performance and the recording.

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            • BBMmk2
              Late Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 20908

              I’m having a purge of the music of Elgar, these past few days.
              Don’t cry for me
              I go where music was born

              J S Bach 1685-1750

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              • Pabmusic
                Full Member
                • May 2011
                • 5537

                Originally posted by BBMmk2 View Post
                I’m having a purge of the music of Elgar, these past few days.
                A binge, surely? A purge might suggest you're throwing it out... :)

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                • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                  Gone fishin'
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 30163

                  Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                  A binge, surely? A purge might suggest you're throwing it out... :)
                  - or, perhaps, a "splurge" might have been meant?
                  [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                  • Pabmusic
                    Full Member
                    • May 2011
                    • 5537

                    Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                    - or, perhaps, a "splurge" might have been meant?
                    An improvement on 'binge'. A splurge of Elgar. (I'd certainly say that about Richard Strauss.)

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                    • BBMmk2
                      Late Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 20908

                      Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                      A binge, surely? A purge might suggest you're throwing it out... :)
                      Yes, I knew it was the wrong word to use as soon as I pressed the button!
                      Don’t cry for me
                      I go where music was born

                      J S Bach 1685-1750

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                      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                        Gone fishin'
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 30163

                        Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                        An improvement on 'binge'. A splurge of Elgar. (I'd certainly say that about Richard Strauss.)
                        A binge of Ronald?
                        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                        • Pabmusic
                          Full Member
                          • May 2011
                          • 5537

                          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                          A binge of Ronald?
                          One could, indeed. As long as he didn't play the accordion...

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                          • BBMmk2
                            Late Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 20908

                            Just been told of an transcription for organ of the Enigma Variations, by Keith John,on Hyperion, c/w Elgar’s Organ Sonata.
                            Don’t cry for me
                            I go where music was born

                            J S Bach 1685-1750

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                            • LMcD
                              Full Member
                              • Sep 2017
                              • 8697

                              I've just bought a recording of the 'Starlight Express' and 'King Arthur' Suites, partly because the tune from the latter used by Anthony Payne in the 4th movement of the '3rd Symphony' lodged itself in my head and I thought I'd like to hear it in context, so to speak. Both really delightful works - I hope that doesn't sound condescending, as it isn't meant to be. Will I listen to them again - yes!
                              There's one memorable rhyme in the number 'O Stars Shine Brightly': 'T'other side of the garden fence …….. At the gift of sevenpence'
                              … and it was also comforting in these troublesome times to make the acquaintance of The Laugher who is 'the universal solvent of despair'.

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                              • Eine Alpensinfonie
                                Host
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 20576

                                Arthur is due to be published for the first time in 2021, as part of a volume of the Elgar Complete Edition. The most recent addition to the project was published in August: the wartime recitations plus Fringes of the Fleet.

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