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  • Beef Oven!
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    • Sep 2013
    • 18147

    #16
    Originally posted by EdgeleyRob View Post
    The even numbered Symphonies,especially No 4,for me.
    I am more impressed with the VC on Naxos than others hereabouts are.
    String Quartets ? got to be the Magginis,Nos 3 & 4 are exquisite.
    With the symphonies I find I have a different favourite on a rotation basis! Off the top of my head, I’d plump for #6.

    Yes, the Maggini set. It was a toss-up between that and the Dante Quartet on Dutton for me.

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    • BBMmk2
      Late Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 20908

      #17
      Rubbra wrote a not too bad work for brass band, you know! Variations on The Shining River.
      Don’t cry for me
      I go where music was born

      J S Bach 1685-1750

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      • Pulcinella
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        • Feb 2014
        • 11114

        #18
        Originally posted by EdgeleyRob View Post
        ...
        I am more impressed with the VC on Naxos than others hereabouts are.
        ...
        Must try again; might be a classic instance of the Conifer being the first version I got to know.
        I'm sure that I'll still prefer the Chandos Farnaby Variations though!

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        • BBMmk2
          Late Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 20908

          #19
          I have the Hickox box set of his orchestral music. Must give that a spin again.
          Don’t cry for me
          I go where music was born

          J S Bach 1685-1750

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          • EdgeleyRob
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            • Nov 2010
            • 12180

            #20
            Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
            Must try again; might be a classic instance of the Conifer being the first version I got to know.
            I'm sure that I'll still prefer the Chandos Farnaby Variations though!
            Yes probably pulcie.
            The Naxos is a fair bit quicker but sounds great to me.

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            • Andrew Slater
              Full Member
              • Mar 2007
              • 1798

              #21
              Rubbra on 3

              There's a rare outing for the piano concerto tomorrow, in the Matthews / Sargent recording

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              • antongould
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 8836

                #22
                Originally posted by Andrew Slater View Post
                There's a rare outing for the piano concerto tomorrow, in the Matthews / Sargent recording
                Thanks for the heads up Andrew .....

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                • Beef Oven!
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                  • Sep 2013
                  • 18147

                  #23
                  Originally posted by antongould View Post
                  Thanks for the heads up Andrew .....


                  I don't know the piano concerto, so I must remember to tune in.

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                  • Pulcinella
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                    • Feb 2014
                    • 11114

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post


                    I don't know the piano concerto, so I must remember to tune in.
                    I will be interested to read your thoughts afterwards: it's often given a spin here.
                    It's crying out for a modern recording (Naxos should have included it in the British piano concertos series, mostly with Donohoe).
                    The performance being broadcast (c/w Britten's piano concerto) is available dirt cheap (used) here:

                    There is also a BBC Maida Vale recording (Binns/LSO/Handley) from 1976 that I have (BBC Radio Classics):
                    Last edited by Pulcinella; 10-11-18, 08:24.

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                    • Beef Oven!
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                      • Sep 2013
                      • 18147

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                      With the symphonies I find I have a different favourite on a rotation basis! Off the top of my head, I’d plump for #6.

                      Yes, the Maggini set. It was a toss-up between that and the Dante Quartet on Dutton for me.
                      I listened to symphony #6 last night. The second movement in particular really moved me.

                      By way of an update, in the summer I downloaded the Maggini Quartet discs of the string quartets. I have not listened to them a sufficient number of times to form a relative opinion, but will say they don't appear to be that different a performance to the Dante Quartet. I would like to hear the Griller Quartet.

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                      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                        Gone fishin'
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 30163

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                        I listened to symphony #6 last night. The second movement in particular really moved me.
                        I think the Sixth is Rubbra's finest achievement; a great work from the very start with that Sospiri-like first theme. Rubbra had done something like this at the beginning of the Fifth Symphony, which dear old Edgey described as one of the most beautiful pieces of Music he knew - my problem with that is as a Symphonic movement it doesn't have the dramatic and thematic "conflict" I need. Here in the Sixth, he gives us that conflict in the contrasting, carefree dancelike second theme - setting the scene for a genuine symphonic argument between a deep sorrow (that often comes close to pessimism) and a detached optimism that isn't resolved until the very end of the work. My god, there is such depth of feeling in that finale - and it could so easily (and quite successfully) have led to one of those resigned, nihilistic conclusions that permeate much "traditionally" Tonal Music written in the post-War period. But what Rubbra does is so much stronger - from the depths of resignation, the Music is reinvigorated and given a joyful energy that betokens a belief in the future which I think demonstrates a generosity of character in the composer that is both rare and admirable.

                        Tremendously moving, the second Movement, I agree; but the whole thing, too.
                        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                        • Beef Oven!
                          Ex-member
                          • Sep 2013
                          • 18147

                          #27
                          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                          I think the Sixth is Rubbra's finest achievement; a great work from the very start with that Sospiri-like first theme. Rubbra had done something like this at the beginning of the Fifth Symphony, which dear old Edgey described as one of the most beautiful pieces of Music he knew - my problem with that is as a Symphonic movement it doesn't have the dramatic and thematic "conflict" I need. Here in the Sixth, he gives us that conflict in the contrasting, carefree dancelike second theme - setting the scene for a genuine symphonic argument between a deep sorrow (that often comes close to pessimism) and a detached optimism that isn't resolved until the very end of the work. My god, there is such depth of feeling in that finale - and it could so easily (and quite successfully) have led to one of those resigned, nihilistic conclusions that permeate much "traditionally" Tonal Music written in the post-War period. But what Rubbra does is so much stronger - from the depths of resignation, the Music is reinvigorated and given a joyful energy that betokens a belief in the future which I think demonstrates a generosity of character in the composer that is both rare and admirable.

                          Tremendously moving, the second Movement, I agree; but the whole thing, too.


                          I'll have your words in mind on my next listen.

                          I plumped for #6 off the top of my head in post #16 in response to Rob's choice of 4

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                          • Beef Oven!
                            Ex-member
                            • Sep 2013
                            • 18147

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Andrew Slater View Post
                            There's a rare outing for the piano concerto tomorrow, in the Matthews / Sargent recording
                            I've just checked up, and I think this is the 1956 premier recording on EMI.

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                            • Pulcinella
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                              • Feb 2014
                              • 11114

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                              I've just checked up, and I think this is the 1956 premier recording on EMI.
                              It is: a link to the recording was posted in #24.
                              The CD suggests that the Britten concerto coupling is also a world premiere recording, though whether or not that is of the revised version it doesn't say.

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                              • Beef Oven!
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                                • Sep 2013
                                • 18147

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post


                                I don't know the piano concerto, so I must remember to tune in.
                                A fabulous piano concerto. Whilst not broody, especially the third movement, it is tinged with introspection and Rubbra avoids even a hint of anything meretricious, and delivers gorgeous music, wave after wave in this concerto. Rubbra was simply a very classy act in everything he did (domestic stuff aside!).

                                I can't believe I've never investigated this work before. The strings in this recording are somewhat emaciated, but other than that it sounds very good. I'm not qualified to assess Denis Matthews playing, but it sounded wonderful to my ears! Boult is always on the money in this kind of thing and it all adds up to a great performance. But I can't help thinking that a modern recording is more than deserved.

                                Once again, thanks to Andrew Slater for bringing this to our attention

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