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  • Lat-Literal
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    • Aug 2015
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    Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
    Suddenly there are all these new threads that if I had the time I'd want to get involved in a discussion on. I guess that's an improvement on arriving, having a look at "What's New?", and deciding I don't have anything to say on any of the ongoing threads. An improvement for me anyway, others' mileage may differ as they say. I guess some of these incipits will fill out once there are relevant concerts/broadcasts/releases.

    And not wishing to be picky it would be nice if the format of thread titles on this board were, um, harmonised. If they're going to be in alphabetical order it would be good for the family name always to come first!
    Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
    What is the qualification for inclusion in this thread? Things are moving so fast I've missed how it works. I suggested John Dowland (1563-1626) upthread, because there was a thread around Tess Knighton's BAL survey of Dowland recordings which I thought made a useful starting point. Although this was a BAL, it was a very useful overview rather than being about a particular work. Perhaps the thread could be re-titled John Dowland (1563-1626) ?? Or does what goes on BAL, stay on BAL ?

    And, more recently, Martin lost his booklet, leading to this , which could be grafted on.....
    Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
    Right - I think that now all composer-specific links suggested by Forumistas have now been moved to the sub-Forum (mostly from Talking About Music. Other posts and threads originating in Record Review, Early Music, Performance, Hear & Now threads have been copied here - at least, I think so: as copied Threads are still listed under their original Threads (where they remain, of course) it isn't as easy to see which have been successfully "transferred".

    Current discussions of Essential Shostakovich Recordings (or similar) are staying where they are for the time being. And Threads on the lines of those containing three posts responding to the title Which are your favourite recordings of the Chopin 'cello Sonata? (one of which referring to a transcription for Viola) are also staying put, at least for the time being. I shall do "sentry duty" on the existing Threads in the sub-Forum, and, if a useful link occurs to me that would add to the Thread (such as one to the WIKI article, or suchlike) I will add it.

    I hope Forumistas will feel free to treat all Threads as "open", to resuscitate long-dormant discussions of composers, to add new links they think might be useful additions - and, of course, to continue pointing out Threads I've overlooked.
    The Addressing Any Loose Ends Post

    1. Thank you to ferney for managing it and for doing most of the work. I wouldn't have wanted to have had to move the threads and didn't have the expertise to do so.

    2. This is Dave2002's Brahms post, as promised - http://www.for3.org/forums/showthrea...ez-vous_Brahms. It will require a decision.

    3. I like RB's suggestion in the final part of his post above but it could be trickier than it appears. If someone gives me the temporary tools to do it, I could try. Otherwise, no.

    4. On RT's question, it was an imprecise science. I said at the outset I wouldn't be hacking into CotW. As ferney implies, when the searching started, one thread that kept cropping up was "Talking About Music". The easiest ones to move had titles of composers names and not much else with the content being along the lines "I've just heard this record by X and think I might like X now - has anyone recommendations of music by X I might like?". Others were suggested for moving on the grounds that they began with a broad sweep of a composer's characteristic compositions - eg Y's symphonies or Z's piano music. Even better if the discussion then went on to other things. Alternatively, the original focus was on a composer's background and then that led to a discussion of her music. Good suggestions were often good threads in places they had never been well suited to, with hindsight.

    5. What I personally tried not to offer were threads with two or more composers in the title, threads about a specific record, radio programme or performance especially where those threads didn't lead onto broad discussion or they fitted into a regular pattern (as happens, for example, in early music and to some extent in Hear and Now), and RIP threads, among others. I did tentatively put forward the idea that a few birthday threads could be used but I wasn't keen on the idea and it wasn't taken up. It didn't seem worth pressing.

    6. On your point, ferney, about ones that may have missed, I've been carrying some assumptions as to why most which have not been taken forward were not taken forward. One thought is some people may have said "we don't want that one moved" or "leave our section of the forum entirely alone". I have had to guess on the nuances or machinations behind the scenes, then sort of adapt. But in point 7, I will list for you the ones that have not gone forward with post numbers in case you wish to have a rethink about them.

    7. Clarke (71), Xenakis (75), Simpson (78), Prokofiev (79), Szell (79), Gilbert and Sullivan (82), Harris (84), Liszt (84), Nielsen (84), Rameau (84), Debussy (110), Handel (110), Henze (110), Messiaen (110), Mendelssohn (110), R Strauss (110) - these are the ones other than Brahms that haven't been taken up as far as I can see. You've done Monteverdi.

    8. Here is my list of key composers other than those mentioned in 7 for which we don't have a thread. I suppose threads can arrive for them - and ones in 7 we don't take forward - over time ie organically unless designed - Barber, Beethoven, Borodin, Byrd, Carter, Copland, Dvorak, Falla, Gershwin, Gibbons, Granados, Janacek, Josquin, Khachaturian, Kodaly, Mussorgsky, Paganini, Parry, Puccini, Ravel, Rimsky-Korsakov, Rodrigo, Rossini, Satie, Schubert, Schoenberg, Stanford, Stravinsky, Suk, Tallis, Telemann, Verdi, Wagner, Walton.

    9. I am pleased that Radigue could be included. However, at the risk of making a nonsense of early posts, I think it would be better to spell her name with a g rather than a q.

    10. Finally, we need an A composer. I am uncomfortable with not having an A composer. An A composer is the priority. But I'm not doing one as I don't want to be first on the list.

    That's all folks!
    Last edited by Lat-Literal; 21-02-17, 09:11.

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    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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      • Sep 2011
      • 30163

      Originally posted by Lat-Literal View Post
      The Addressing Any Loose Ends Post
      (coming soon!)
      http://www.for3.org/forums/showthrea...ez-vous_Brahms
      Hmmm. Some very valuable posts, but should it go under "Brahms" or "Britten"? Or in a new Thread called "Britten on Brahms", within a separate folder called "Composers on Composers"?!
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      • EdgeleyRob
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        • Nov 2010
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        Can this be included please ferney ?
        Be interesting to see if there is any more interest in Weinberg

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        • teamsaint
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          • Nov 2010
          • 25225

          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
          Hmmm. Some very valuable posts, but should it go under "Brahms" or "Britten"? Or in a new Thread called "Britten on Brahms", within a separate folder called "Composers on Composers"?!
          How about
          "Composers inc. Composers on Composers".

          Pretty snappy eh ?

          Great stuff anyway, the hard work is much appreciated .
          I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

          I am not a number, I am a free man.

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          • Lat-Literal
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            • Aug 2015
            • 6983

            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
            Hmmm. Some very valuable posts, but should it go under "Brahms" or "Britten"? Or in a new Thread called "Britten on Brahms", within a separate folder called "Composers on Composers"?!
            OK.

            Brahms joins the list of main composers not having an individual thread. Folders could get muddly but that's just one view. The only things to add at this point are that Post 121 is complete and might be helpful for future reference (where were we/what did we do?) and my biggest surprise was in not finding one for Sorabji but that I do expect to change!!!

            nb, This looks quite useful for Ravel - http://www.for3.org/forums/showthrea...-back-to-Ravel
            Last edited by Lat-Literal; 21-02-17, 03:53.

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            • Pulcinella
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              • Feb 2014
              • 11062

              Re point 10 in post #121:

              We've got an A composer in the list: Adams.
              He appears under J for John!

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              • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                Gone fishin'
                • Sep 2011
                • 30163

                Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                Re point 10 in post #121:
                We've got an A composer in the list: Adams.
                He appears under J for John!
                I know - but I'm not letting that limp talent appear first on the list. Anybody who wishes to start a Thread on Hans Abrahamsen - or even Adolphe Adam - then John will be put in his alphabetically-correct position.
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                • Lat-Literal
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                  • Aug 2015
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                  Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                  I know - but I'm not letting that limp talent appear first on the list. Anybody who wishes to start a Thread on Hans Abrahamsen - or even Adolphe Adam - then John will be put in his alphabetically-correct position.
                  Could be worse......

                  Mary Anne à Beckett - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWYSqgUPxlQ

                  But Ms Alberga would make for a very nice Jamaican born start.

                  (I realise she is below Adams in the alphabet, though)

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                  • Lat-Literal
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                    • Aug 2015
                    • 6983

                    .......He's only gone and done it.

                    Time to celebrate:

                    Koen Claeys, guitarSuite op.114 by Jean AbsilIntroductionPavane, 1:18Sicilienne, 4:52Gigue, 7:23Guitar by Stefan Vandenhoudt, ceder quinttop 2012recorded nov...


                    (but such a shame about poor Eliane)

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                    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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                      • Sep 2011
                      • 30163

                      Originally posted by Lat-Literal View Post
                      .......He's only gone and done it.
                      Yes - reading through the posts, it became clear that, after the first flurry of comments on Britten and Brahms, the Thread settled down to a discussion of Johannes, so it wasn't so difficult, after all.

                      (but such a shame about poor Eliane)
                      Blimey! For a moment there, I thought you'd heard bad news about her. A guick edit, and it's a less radical error now.
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                      • Lat-Literal
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                        • Aug 2015
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                        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                        Yes - reading through the posts, it became clear that, after the first flurry of comments on Britten and Brahms, the Thread settled down to a discussion of Johannes, so it wasn't so difficult, after all.


                        Blimey! For a moment there, I thought you'd heard bad news about her. A guick edit, and it's a less radical error now.
                        Thank you very much ferney.

                        The Brahms is coming up twice on my screen.

                        Not sure why.

                        We don't have an X.

                        I don't know if you or Beefy or Gong Gong would want to do one early on for Xenakis but I would be ever so happy then.

                        Otherwise, it would be four Laterals at the end of the list and I don't want that plus I am not the best placed to start one.

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                        • Beef Oven!
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                          • Sep 2013
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                          Originally posted by Lat-Literal View Post
                          Thank you very much ferney.

                          The Brahms is coming up twice on my screen.

                          Not sure why.

                          We don't have an X.

                          I don't know if you or Beefy or Gong Gong would want to do one early on for Xenakis but I would be ever so happy then.

                          Otherwise, it would be four Laterals at the end of the list and I don't want that plus I am not the best placed to start one.
                          Lat, I’m not sure we need to get the A-Z of all composers finished by the end of the month!!!

                          I suggest that we get all the existing threads sorted and let new ones come about naturally. Otherwise we’ll be stretching ourselves to say anything instructive or interesting.

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                          • Lat-Literal
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                            • Aug 2015
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                            Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                            Lat, I’m not sure we need to get the A-Z of all composers finished by the end of the month!!!

                            I suggest that we get all the existing threads sorted and let new ones come about naturally. Otherwise we’ll be stretching ourselves to say anything instructive.
                            This again.

                            It isn't, though, is it - it is one additional entry.

                            You could have been halfway through completing it instead of a repetitive post if you had a mind.

                            Not happy as it's provocative!

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                            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                              Gone fishin'
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 30163

                              Originally posted by Lat-Literal View Post
                              The Brahms is coming up twice on my screen.
                              Not sure why.
                              I can think of a couple of reasons ... best not to ask; should be just the one now.

                              We don't have an X.
                              I noticed that when I read my own post in the new Brahms Thread quoting Xenakis' opinion of Brahms. A definite omission and one I shall be delighted to rectify once I've sorted out the backlog of posts on other Threads I'd meant to post after I'd got the new subForum up and running.

                              (And one for Zelenka, if you'd like another gap between your "Started by" column )
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                              • Lat-Literal
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                                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                                I can think of a couple of reasons ... best not to ask; should be just the one now.


                                I noticed that when I read my own post in the new Brahms Thread quoting Xenakis' opinion of Brahms. A definite omission and one I shall be delighted to rectify once I've sorted out the backlog of posts on other Threads I'd meant to post after I'd got the new subForum up and running.
                                So did I re your quote.

                                That's kind - I realise you are busy sorting it out for everyone on the forum.

                                Thanks.

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