Sorabji, Kaikhosru Shapurji (1892 - 1988)

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  • Beef Oven!
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    • Sep 2013
    • 18147

    #31
    Originally posted by ahinton View Post
    Yes, we know that! - but then Chingford's not in Mumbai either...
    And it’s not in Essex, now!

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    • ahinton
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      • Nov 2010
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      #32
      Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
      And it’s not in Essex, now!
      No, I know that! - but then KSS was not an "Essex boy" either.

      Anyway - back to a discussion of Sorabji...

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      • Beef Oven!
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        • Sep 2013
        • 18147

        #33
        Originally posted by ahinton View Post
        No, I know that! - but then KSS was not an "Essex boy" either.

        Anyway - back to a discussion of Sorabji...
        We are discussing Sorabji! I wonder if he voted for Norman The Chingford Skin-head Tebbit. Maybe he’d moved from Chingford by then. It seems to have gone down-hill (just ask ex-boxer Michael Watson!)

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        • ahinton
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          • Nov 2010
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          #34
          Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
          We are discussing Sorabji! I wonder if he voted for Norman The Chingford Skin-head Tebbit. Maybe he’d moved from Chingford by then. It seems to have gone down-hill (just ask ex-boxer Michael Watson!)
          Given that Norman Tebbit was only born at around the time that Opus Clavicembalisticum was published and that Sorabji had almost certainly left Chingford by or before the early years of last century, he neither voted for him nor would, I imagine, have appreciated being told by him to mount his velocipede.

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          • ahinton
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            • Nov 2010
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            #35
            I understand that the Rosslyn Hill Chapel performance of OC is now scheduled for 9 May 2017.

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            • Beef Oven!
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              • Sep 2013
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              #36
              Originally posted by ahinton View Post
              I understand that the Rosslyn Hill Chapel performance of OC is now scheduled for 9 May 2017.
              Thanks. As yet, no booking details available. I’ll keep an eye out.

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              • Beresford
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                • Apr 2012
                • 555

                #37
                Jonathan Powell is to play Sorabji at Glasgow University on Friday 6th October at 1600.
                Sorabji's Opus Clavicembalisticum (approx. 4 hours 45 mins).

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                • Segilla
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 136

                  #38
                  Inconsequentia. Sorabji and Alan Walker's Fredryck Chopin – not essential reading.

                  I don’t know why the English composer Kaikhosru Shapurji Sorabji (1892-1988) came to mind a few weeks ago but I recalled his often vituperative letters to Musical Opinion and the impression they made on me in my youth in the 1950s. One in particular was unforgettable as it included, ‘Like the cuttlefish when pursued, Mr --- has emitted a cloud of ink, but very little else.’

                  With huge pleasure I’ve been slowly reading Alan Walker’s new biography Fryderyk Chopin, (Faber and Faber, 2018). Many of the people in Chopin’s life are well-known, but to be savoured is the insightful detail and digressions about so many others who Chopin came in contact with. And I delight in the Footnotes, (yes, Footnotes – not pesky Endnotes), one of which covers almost a whole page.

                  When I arrived at p.566, where the acerbic London critic J. W. Davison, no friend of Chopin or others, is introduced, my mind flipped back to Sorabji. Imagine my surprise reading on p.569 ‘Like the cuttlefish when pursued, all that Davison could do was to eject a cloud of ink.’

                  Sorabji was eccentric and therefore an interesting character. Under his name I recall reading in the ca.1950 edition of Percy M Scholes’ 'Dictionary of Music and Musicians’, an extract from a letter Scholes had received from Sorabji. It read something like, ‘I make a point of confusing lexicographical persons such as yourself.’

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                  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                    Gone fishin'
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 30163

                    #39
                    Ah! Interesting to read about Davison - by coincidence, I'm reading the Jacques Barzun biography of Berlioz, in which he's something of a hero!

                    Marvellous - and marvellously apt description of a critic: a cuttlefish!
                    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                    • ahinton
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                      • Nov 2010
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                      Ah! Interesting to read about Davison - by coincidence, I'm reading the Jacques Barzun biography of Berlioz, in which he's something of a hero!

                      Marvellous - and marvellously apt description of a critic: a cuttlefish!
                      Sorabji used that one on more than one occasion and I did wonder whether it was original or a quote but I've never actually looked into that; it seems now that it was the latter.

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                      • Serial_Apologist
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                        • Dec 2010
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                        #41
                        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                        Marvellous - and marvellously apt description of a critic: a cuttlefish!
                        Too many sub-clawses???

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                        • Bryn
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                          • Mar 2007
                          • 24688

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                          Too many sub-clawses???
                          A sonewhat tentaclive assertion.

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                          • Serial_Apologist
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                            • Dec 2010
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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                            A sonewhat tentaclive assertion.
                            Whatever grabs you!

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                            • Bryn
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                              • Mar 2007
                              • 24688

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                              Whatever grabs you!
                              .

                              I'm usually a sucker for Mr. Hinton's punning. Has he jetted off somewhere?

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                              • ahinton
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 16122

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Bryn View Post
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                                I'm usually a sucker for Mr. Hinton's punning. Has he jetted off somewhere?
                                See #40 which shows that I was around shortly before 09.00 today and let me assure you that I have not jetted of anywhere since. Incidentally, I might mention (FWIW, if anything) that Sorabji never used cuttlefish ink when writing his scores.

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