Scriabin, Alexander (1872-1915)

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  • Pulcinella
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    • Feb 2014
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    Originally posted by Joseph K View Post
    Wow! The Ohlsson no. 9 & 10 are also superb.
    Pleased you got hold of a copy of this BBC MM CD!

    In addition to it, I have the Decca Ashkenazy set, but have to admit to having nothing like the enthusiasm for the works as you do: maybe I should listen to them more!
    Out of interest, what do you think/make of the Profokiev piano sonatas?

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    • Joseph K
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      • Oct 2017
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      Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
      Pleased you got hold of a copy of this BBC MM CD!

      In addition to it, I have the Decca Ashkenazy set, but have to admit to having nothing like the enthusiasm for the works as you do: maybe I should listen to them more!
      Out of interest, what do you think/make of the Profokiev piano sonatas?
      Mandryka sent me a digital copy of the music on that CD.

      I don't know Prokofiev's piano sonatas at all - in fact, I am not at all familiar with most his music, probably should rectify that, starting with the piano sonatas...
      Last edited by Joseph K; 14-11-22, 09:23.

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      • Serial_Apologist
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        • Dec 2010
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        Originally posted by Joseph K View Post
        Mandryka sent me a digital copy of the music on that CD.

        I don't know Prokofiev's piano sonatas at all - in fact, I am not at all familiar with most his music, probably should rectify that, starting with the piano sonatas...
        Nos 6 to 8 offer an especially enriching experience, arguably more so than any of his other works, apart from Symphony No 6 being their equal., in my view. Of the later works following the return to the USSR Prokofiev saved up his most sophisticated harmonic vocabulary and structural ingenuity for these works.

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        • Pulcinella
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          • Feb 2014
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          Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
          Nos 6 to 8 offer an especially enriching experience, arguably more so than any of his other works, apart from Symphony No 6 being their equal., in my view. Of the later works following the return to the USSR Prokofiev saved up his most sophisticated harmonic vocabulary and structural ingenuity for these works.
          Just looked and Prokofiev doesn't feature in our Composers.
          Fancy starting a new thread off, S_A, and giving some more pointers?

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          • Joseph K
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            • Oct 2017
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            Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
            Nos 6 to 8 offer an especially enriching experience, arguably more so than any of his other works, apart from Symphony No 6 being their equal., in my view. Of the later works following the return to the USSR Prokofiev saved up his most sophisticated harmonic vocabulary and structural ingenuity for these works.

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            • Serial_Apologist
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              • Dec 2010
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              Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
              Just looked and Prokofiev doesn't feature in our Composers.
              Fancy starting a new thread off, S_A, and giving some more pointers?
              I've never really investigated Prokofiev, to be honest. This needs someone with more than my meagre knowledge to launch.

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              • RichardB
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                • Nov 2021
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                Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                I've never really investigated Prokofiev, to be honest. This needs someone with more than my meagre knowledge to launch.
                I don't think there's a forum rule that says threads should be started by experts in the topic!

                I haven't investigated Prokofiev's work very deeply either, aside from the symphonies and piano concertos. There seems to be a general opinion that the piano sonatas 6, 7 and 8 are the items in his piano music to listen to, but I've never managed to appreciate them. They don't seem to have any connection with Scriabin though!

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                • Pulcinella
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                  • Feb 2014
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                  Originally posted by RichardB View Post
                  I don't think there's a forum rule that says threads should be started by experts in the topic!

                  I haven't investigated Prokofiev's work very deeply either, aside from the symphonies and piano concertos. There seems to be a general opinion that the piano sonatas 6, 7 and 8 are the items in his piano music to listen to, but I've never managed to appreciate them. They don't seem to have any connection with Scriabin though!
                  Mea culpa, for asking Joseph if he knew the Prokofiev set.
                  I've no idea if there's any connection or not, but was more generally wondering how they stood and were thought of in the overall development of the genre of the piano sonata.

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                  • RichardB
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                    • Nov 2021
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                    Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                    Mea culpa, for asking Joseph if he knew the Prokofiev set.
                    I've no idea if there's any connection or not, but was more generally wondering how they stood and were thought of in the overall development of the genre of the piano sonata.
                    I wasn't meaning to say that Prokofiev shouldn't be mentioned in a thread about Scriabin - actually it's quite interesting to see how divergent they were. Scriabin was 20 years older but his approach was much more "modern" and exploratory, especially in terms of harmony; even though Prokofiev gave the Russian premiere of Schoenberg's op.11, his sense of harmony was focused on the diatonic (plus "wrong notes" when desired).

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                    • french frank
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                      • Feb 2007
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                      Originally posted by RichardB View Post
                      I don't think there's a forum rule that says threads should be started by experts in the topic!
                      It's one of the forum rules like Please stay on topic.
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • Joseph K
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                        • Oct 2017
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                        Originally posted by french frank View Post
                        It's one of the forum rules like Please stay on topic.
                        ?? Should this post of yours have included this, FF? -

                        :irony3:

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                        • Pulcinella
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                          • Feb 2014
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                          Originally posted by Joseph K View Post
                          ?? Should this post of yours have included this, FF? -

                          :irony3:
                          I think that ff means that this is a custom that is perhaps more honoured in the breach than in the observance (but I stand to be corrected).

                          (Come back ferney: you'd get us going!!)

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                          • french frank
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                            • Feb 2007
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                            Originally posted by Joseph K View Post
                            ?? Should this post of yours have included this, FF? -

                            :irony3:
                            Yes <or this
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • french frank
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                              • Feb 2007
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                              Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                              I think that ff means that this is a custom that is perhaps more honoured in the breach than in the observance (but I stand to be corrected).

                              (Come back ferney: you'd get us going!!)
                              And so say all of us!
                              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                              • Joseph K
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                                • Oct 2017
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                                Well, I don't think it's necessary to have much if any knowledge of a composer to start a thread about them. Something like 'what are your favourite recordings of so and so' seems to me like a rational pretext for starting a thread!

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