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  • aka Calum Da Jazbo
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 9173

    #16
    .... boring yes intolerable no .... but definitely prim
    According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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    • JFLL
      Full Member
      • Jan 2011
      • 780

      #17
      Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
      ... yes, I shall be outraged.

      I am happy with many performances of Bach on the piano.

      I find the prim Hewitt intolerable.
      Crime, outrage, intolerableness ... Who would have thought we were in the genteel eighteenth century?

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      • Thropplenoggin
        Full Member
        • Mar 2013
        • 1587

        #18


        Once again, Ms. Hewitt couldn't resist finishing with a theatrical flourish...

        I rest my case.

        --

        Vinteuil: Modern piano Bach playing I condone are Perahia (Partitas, English Suites, Goldberg Variations), Ekaterina Dershavina (Goldberg Variations - stunning and available for a measly £2.34), Koroliov (Well-tempered Clavier) and, a rather leftfield choice, this disc by Pogorelich (2 English Suites, 4 Scarlatti sonatas).
        Last edited by Thropplenoggin; 28-03-13, 22:11.
        It loved to happen. -- Marcus Aurelius

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        • Nick Armstrong
          Host
          • Nov 2010
          • 26572

          #19
          Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
          I find the prim Hewitt intolerable.
          "...the isle is full of noises,
          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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          • Il Grande Inquisitor
            Full Member
            • Mar 2007
            • 961

            #20
            Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
            I find the prim Hewitt intolerable.
            I remember when one of her Bach releases was awarded Gramophone's Recording of the Month or Editor's Choice or some such accolade. My jaw's still on the floor.
            Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency....

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            • aka Calum Da Jazbo
              Late member
              • Nov 2010
              • 9173

              #21
              JEG waxes
              According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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              • Eine Alpensinfonie
                Host
                • Nov 2010
                • 20572

                #22
                I didn't realise that Angela Hewitt caused so much ire. I tend to regard her as a Fazioli agent.

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                • arthroceph
                  Full Member
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 144

                  #23
                  hehe, or a Steinway double-agent :-)

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                  • MrGongGong
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 18357

                    #24
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                    • Richard Tarleton

                      #25
                      Chaps (because I think you are all chaps, those who are expressing yourselves so forcefully) - I'm probably going to regret asking this, but am keen to learn. Please can you explain exactly what it is about Angela Hewitt you find so dislikeable? Are "prim" and (from a year or so back, but it was quite a vivid phrase) "the Anita Brookner of the piano" musical judgements, and if so how do they express themselves (e.g. touch, phrasing, whatever)? Are these qualities evident in a blind tasting? "Prim" strikes me as the sort of judgement I'd expect to hear in a Hilary Finch review

                      I'm assuming it's not simply a "Bach on the piano" category, as she is the focus of dislike in a way that Schiff, Perahia, Brendel and others are not.

                      I've heard her live a couple of times only (one a small and intimate Bach recital that included the Goldberg), and have a few of her discs, including Couperin and Rameau as well as Bach (I think her Goldberg was the award-winning disc referred to above, was it not?). Talking to her after a concert, the words that spring to mind are pleasant, open, amusing, certainly not prim.

                      She's not even on my short list for most annoying Canadian pianists

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                      • vinteuil
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 12936

                        #26
                        You are right that this is specific to Angela Hewitt rather than "Bach on the piano". At least for me.

                        And yes I like to think a blind tasting would suffice.

                        "Prim". "The Anita Brookner of the piano". A good phrase that, almost the sort of one I might have come up with....

                        There is something about her remorseless neatness, everything just so tidy and clean, that puts me in mind of an earnest primary school teacher or a governess. In the end I find it has the effect of a synthetic fibre as opposed to a natural linen or silk; of a synthetic formica as opposed to a natural wood or stone. One just knows everything is going to fall into place "just so" - and not in a good way : a phrase will occur once mezzo-forte and on its repeat just so perfectly - predictably - accurate to within a decibel - mezzo-piano - ("See! I'm making a contrast!!").

                        I'm not looking for Schnabel-esque handfulls of wrong notes. But I want to believe in a warm human being behind the fingers.

                        In the end I find her extraordinary technical prowess, with no ability (for me) to convey an underlying musical sense - life-denying.

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                        • Thropplenoggin
                          Full Member
                          • Mar 2013
                          • 1587

                          #27
                          Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                          You are right that this is specific to Angela Hewitt rather than "Bach on the piano". At least for me.

                          And yes I like to think a blind tasting would suffice.

                          "Prim". "The Anita Brookner of the piano". A good phrase that, almost the sort of one I might have come up with....

                          There is something about her remorseless neatness, everything just so tidy and clean, that puts me in mind of an earnest primary school teacher or a governess. In the end I find it has the effect of a synthetic fibre as opposed to a natural linen or silk; of a synthetic formica as opposed to a natural wood or stone. One just knows everything is going to fall into place "just so" - and not in a good way : a phrase will occur once mezzo-forte and on its repeat just so perfectly - predictably - accurate to within a decibel - mezzo-piano - ("See! I'm making a contrast!!").

                          I'm not looking for Schnabel-esque handfulls of wrong notes. But I want to believe in a warm human being behind the fingers.

                          In the end I find her extraordinary technical prowess, with no ability (for me) to convey an underlying musical sense - life-denying.


                          What he said.

                          Eloquently put, vintner.
                          It loved to happen. -- Marcus Aurelius

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                          • Nick Armstrong
                            Host
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 26572

                            #28
                            Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                            You are right that this is specific to Angela Hewitt rather than "Bach on the piano". At least for me.

                            And yes I like to think a blind tasting would suffice.

                            "Prim". "The Anita Brookner of the piano". A good phrase that, almost the sort of one I might have come up with....

                            There is something about her remorseless neatness, everything just so tidy and clean, that puts me in mind of an earnest primary school teacher or a governess. In the end I find it has the effect of a synthetic fibre as opposed to a natural linen or silk; of a synthetic formica as opposed to a natural wood or stone. One just knows everything is going to fall into place "just so" - and not in a good way : a phrase will occur once mezzo-forte and on its repeat just so perfectly - predictably - accurate to within a decibel - mezzo-piano - ("See! I'm making a contrast!!").

                            I'm not looking for Schnabel-esque handfulls of wrong notes. But I want to believe in a warm human being behind the fingers.

                            In the end I find her extraordinary technical prowess, with no ability (for me) to convey an underlying musical sense - life-denying.
                            Couldn't put it any better than that

                            (Rather like my reaction to Richard Goode in Mozart piano concertos. The playing gets more irritating the more you listen to it.)
                            "...the isle is full of noises,
                            Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                            Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                            Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                            • Richard Tarleton

                              #29
                              Well, thank you all....I rather think the "Anita Brookner" was one of yours, M. Vints, if memory serves.....

                              I did find myself relating very positively the other week to Caliban's reaction re Richard Goode....

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                              • Nick Armstrong
                                Host
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 26572

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                                I did find myself relating very positively the other week to Caliban's reaction re Richard Goode....
                                Off-topic I know but v quickly, I've given the BAL recommendation of Goode's performance of K459 a good listen, as I had the presence of mind to record it on the DAB radio. I think I've listened 4 or 5 times. It seems more and more soulless and irritating the more I hear it
                                "...the isle is full of noises,
                                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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