CotW - Big Band Jazz

[teamsaint]

Well, managed to catch more of it towards the end of the week.

The music was great.

An interesting aspect that was touched upon, but, no doubt for time limitation reasons, was the way in which the popularity and economic viability of the music rose and fell.The inexorable rise of Rock and Roll was certainly mentioned.It would be interesting to look more deeply at this aspect of popular (and unpopular !) culture.
I have thought for some time that we live in a world where the dominance of Rock (and dance) music is taken for granted....but nothing lasts for ever.
Fragmentation of tastes may well continue as there are ever more channels of communication.Perhaps this is an opportunity for the classical world,especially of the non CFM type........

[Serial_Apologist]

Well, managed to catch more of it towards the end of the week.

The music was great.

An interesting aspect that was touched upon, but, no doubt for time limitation reasons, was the way in which the popularity and economic viability of the music rose and fell.The inexorable rise of Rock and Roll was certainly mentioned.It would be interesting to look more deeply at this aspect of popular (and unpopular !) culture.
I have thought for some time that we live in a world where the dominance of Rock (and dance) music is taken for granted....but nothing lasts for ever.

Not evern serialism, or even its apologists.

Fragmentation of tastes may well continue as there are ever more channels of communication.Perhaps this is an opportunity for the classical world,especially of the non CFM type........

If wishes were horses, beggers would ride.

(That's the clean version)

[teamsaint]

Not evern serialism, or even its apologists.



If wishes were horses, beggers would ride.

(That's the clean version)

Tease. Anyway, tell us the future , S-A. Its always useful to know !

i'm probably wrong. The future is probably a Orwellian Digital Rights Managed nightmare.

[Serial_Apologist]

Tease. Anyway, tell us the future , S-A. Its always useful to know !

i'm probably wrong. The future is probably a Orwellian Digital Rights Managed nightmare.

Interesting question: the reduction of musical vocabulary that has these past 30 or so years been taking place in the genre of contemporary classical, a few notable exceptions apart, leading to every piece of new music being composed in exclusive adherence to tonic/subdominant/dominant/tonic desiderata, with border patrols strengthened by GOVErnment decree under the novel slogan "back to basics" excluding any notes foreign to the given key, which must throughout be C major - C minor being altogether too intellectually challenging, not to mention emotionally overwhelming - leading to an overprofusion of identikit tunes for copyright infringements clogging up the claims courts?

[Tenor Freak]

I've dipped into it - better to have some jazz in this slot than none at all. I agree, big bands have moved on considerably since Gil Evans; George Russell is a special loss, and no Vince Mendoza, for example, and all the avant-garde composers who would have rated a mention.

Still, good to hear "The Cave of Montesinos" on the radio - my favourite movement from Windmill Tilter.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

Big Bands

this week's COTW features Big Bands shaped by Guy Barker's contributions and idiosyncrasies which came perilously close to an insult to the art in his early preoccupation with the Whiteman orchestra .... it had better get better than this ... the Sebesky version of In a Mist, with a limp Hubbard on trumpet, was a poor anachronism and added little ... i anticipate the illustration of the impact of later arrangers and bands of Redman and Sebesky ... and wonder if Benny Moten will get a mention as a father to swinging riffs ...

for a series on music for musical theatre and films and later easy listening a good start but abysmal in terms of orchestral jazz ...

[Nick Armstrong]

Here are the comments last time this series aired: http://www.for3.org/forums/showthrea...-Big-Band-Jazz

Worth merging maybe?

[cloughie]

Still no Kenton Wagner!

[french frank]

Here are the comments last time this series aired: http://www.for3.org/forums/showthrea...-Big-Band-Jazz

Worth merging maybe?

Yes, given that the latest comments can be read first. Are we, by any chance, in the middle of the LJF coverage atm?

[salymap]

As a youngster working in London I loved Big Band music. For the last year I Can't even hear rhar.

Like Tony I seem to be having trouble with computer and everything/

best wishes to my friends

[Quarky]

Certainly a ton of Jazz this week. I am enjoying this CoTW. Wouldn't know whether Guy Barker is strictly historically accurate, but it's his point of view, and certainly a good listen, and preferable imv to umpteenth CotW on Mozart, Haydn, etc.

Sorry to hear about Salymap's problems, and hope they are resolved soon.

[Serial_Apologist]

As a youngster working in London I loved Big Band music. For the last year I Can't even hear rhar.

Like Tony I seem to be having trouble with computer and everything/

best wishes to my friends

Best wishes to you sal.

If it's any consolation the music I hear in my head nowdays is better than almost anything on the wireless.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

best wishes Salymap here is some big band music from the thirties

[Nick Armstrong]

... Guy Barker's contributions and idiosyncrasies came perilously close to an insult to the art in his early preoccupation with the Whiteman orchestra .... it had better get better than this ...

Did you not catch the series first time around, Calum? I must say like others, I enjoyed it and learned a lot from it (lacking your specialist knowledge) - but are you really saying that the music in the first episode was a series of red herrings, as far as the later heydays of Big Bands were concerned?

[Lento]

I find a little of this kind of stuff goes rather a long way.