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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
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    21-11-2011 - Percy Grainger

    1/5. Grainger's upbringing in Melbourne and study in Frankfurt.
    2/5. He establishes himself as a pianist.
    3/5. His adoption of US citizenship and his marriage.
    4/5. His founding of a museum of himself
    5/5. His Jungle Book Cycle and his 'greatest hits'.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
  • Anna

    #2
    I find Percy Grainger, the man, quite fascinating in his early years, with the kangaroo pouch machine and innovative compositional techniques long before Ives and Cage used them. However, his easy-listening stuff like Country Gardens and Molly on the Shore leave me absolutely cold because of their twee whimsyness as does his chocolate box folklorique (I do realise on the MB he has devoted fans!) I do hope the programme on his early years focuses on his innovation and early electronic music, his psychological makeup and obsessions. He was also an amazing looking person.

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    • Nick Armstrong
      Host
      • Nov 2010
      • 26572

      #3
      Originally posted by Anna View Post
      I find Percy Grainger, the man, quite fascinating in his early years, with the kangaroo pouch machine and innovative compositional techniques long before Ives and Cage used them. However, his easy-listening stuff like Country Gardens and Molly on the Shore leave me absolutely cold because of their twee whimsyness as does his chocolate box folklorique (I do realise on the MB he has devoted fans!) I do hope the programme on his early years focuses on his innovation and early electronic music, his psychological makeup and obsessions. He was also an amazing looking person.
      I have huge amounts of time for PG too, Anna. I love a lot of his stuff. And if well-performed, his 'easy listening' music can be exhilarating I think! I love the way he chucks an occasional (or sometimes not so occasional) harmonic cluster or hair-raising dissonance into the middle of quite open, diatonic music. I recently invested in the first volume of the PG series conducted by Richard Hickox on Chandos - the Colonial Song was on repeat play for a while - sentimental, twee... maybe, but then as it goes on, pangs of feeling are conveyed by dissonance, and at one point there's a great chromatic glissando upwards for lots of instruments inc. orchestral piano...

      And I never understand why one of my favourite pieces by him is not better known (I learnt what it was thanks to an old R3 message boarder who brilliantly identified it, after a plea by me and about 10 years of trying to find out what the music used at the end of a BBC drama series was). It's PG's arrangement of John Dowland's song "Now, oh now, I needs must part"... I can play most of it but the bit where the wonderful melody really goes through the harmonic hall of distorting mirrors defeats me!!

      Here is a rather good performance of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-dhxIr7oqc



      PS: FF, how can one tell whether COTW is a repeat or not? I've looked before where I know for a fact it IS a repeat, and have found no sign of it on the website. Is this PG series a repeat?
      "...the isle is full of noises,
      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30455

        #4
        Originally posted by Caliban View Post
        PS: FF, how can one tell whether COTW is a repeat or not? I've looked before where I know for a fact it IS a repeat, and have found no sign of it on the website. Is this PG series a repeat?
        Scroll down to the bottom of the page to the section Broadcasts. It will give the date of any previous airings. In this case there are none, so unless they're lying ...
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • amateur51

          #5
          Originally posted by french frank View Post
          Scroll down to the bottom of the page to the section Broadcasts. It will give the date of any previous airings. In this case there are none, so unless they're lying ...
          Oh come on, french frank - lying or incompetent, please!

          It has been known ...

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          • rauschwerk
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 1482

            #6
            R3 has so far this year given a one-sided view of Grainger, concentrating on a few of his folksong settings. This series looks like being a useful corrective.

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            • amateur51

              #7
              Originally posted by Anna
              Well, if it is a repeat, that's a shame they do not say. If so, heard it. Does not delve into the psyche of the man and his amazing eyes
              I think you may need to subscribe to a non-terrestrial channel broadcasting out of Amsterdam for that sort of content, Anna

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 30455

                #8
                For the record, I don't think there's any reason to think it's a repeat ...
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • Anna

                  #9
                  Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                  I think you may need to subscribe to a non-terrestrial channel broadcasting out of Amsterdam for that sort of content, Anna
                  Oh Blimey! His whips? No, I am back to being the the LCD and orff to watch Strictly Oh, it's GHARSTLEY, Darhling!

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                  • EdgeleyRob
                    Guest
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 12180

                    #10
                    I do like some of Graingers music but have very little in my collection so I will catch up with these on listen again.
                    Originally posted by french frank View Post
                    his 'greatest hits'.
                    Sounds like Classic FM !

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                    • Serial_Apologist
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 37814

                      #11
                      I don't see any mention of his electronic music in RT. It usually gets left out. I wonder: is the equipment no longer extant; hasn't anybody sought to reconstruct it? are there no recordings?

                      Ah well - an interesting week looks to be in store anyway

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                      • Anna

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                        I don't see any mention of his electronic music in RT. It usually gets left out. I wonder: is the equipment no longer extant; hasn't anybody sought to reconstruct it? are there no recordings?
                        There was a brilliant drama-doc by Australia Broadcasting Co., about Grainger, warts 'n all, regarding the pouch machine and his many foibles and electronics and you could hear the machine at work. I have it still, I think, on the computer. It was indeed insightful about the man, I must try and find it it and if poss, post it here.

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                        • Serial_Apologist
                          Full Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 37814

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Anna View Post
                          There was a brilliant drama-doc by Australia Broadcasting Co., about Grainger, warts 'n all, regarding the pouch machine and his many foibles and electronics and you could hear the machine at work. I have it still, I think, on the computer. It was indeed insightful about the man, I must try and find it it and if poss, post it here.
                          That would be nice, Anna, if it's not too much trouble.

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                          • Chris Newman
                            Late Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 2100

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Anna View Post
                            Oh Blimey! His whips? No, I am back to being the the LCD and orff to watch Strictly Oh, it's GHARSTLEY, Darhling!
                            I thought that might spur you on......

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                            • ardcarp
                              Late member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 11102

                              #15
                              Grainger is an intriguing fellow. In many ways I admire him for writing what he wanted to write; sometimes I struggle to understand whether his lighter works (folk-songy things, for instance) are faux naive...or just naive. In our last orchestral concert the second half consisted of Ravel's Tombeau de Couperin which our players sweated blood over... and they gave a very stylish account. We rounded the procedings off with Grainger's Mock Morris (the version with full wind) which we more or less sight-read. It was, I suppose, slightly galling that the audience was stirred to rapture of several orders of magnitude greater for Grainger than for Ravel....even allowing for the 'end-of-concert' factor. But hey (Shepherds' Hey) what's wrong with writing stuff people like?

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