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Ludwig van Beethoven (1770 - 1827)
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I knew the Gerhaher/Huber Ferne Geliebte already but was again deeply impressed by their collaboration as played today on CotW. I was in the garden in lovely sunshine listening on headphones, which probably enhanced the experience. (Sitting on a hill, peering down would have been even more appropriate.) The two of them go back a long way having met as students in Munich in the late 80s and have such a brilliant understanding. Nice older photo here.
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In the last of this week's focus on Beethoven's vocal music
Missa Solemnis and the smaller scale but the equally profound Abendlied unter dem gestirnten Himmel express many of Beethoven's beliefs. Perhaps he was in need of some light relief from the enormity of his musical preoccupations and his domestic problems when he found time to set some rather saucy lyrics too.
And there'll be a discussion of that movement of the ninth symphony.
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Originally posted by Bryn View PostAh, the culminating triumph. Indeed, a superb transcending of the musical material of the preceding movements.
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Very moving episode today.....an evocative text, beautifully spoken by Macleod....Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 19-05-20, 19:03.
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I reproduce, below, only very slightly edited text messages I have received this week from poet and writer on music, Harry Gilonis. They are presented without further comment by me, at this stage:
18th: If the 'new path' of 1802 onwards is the focus, why pad out the discussion with the Op. 20 Septet, which was a piece of populist salon 'Tafelmusik' from way back in 1799, when the path was still very old? It would make sense to play it, as it is the sort of thing the general public liked, and that shows how far Beethoven was moving beyond mass comprehension. But it was presented without any such context.
19th: . . . He's shown off LvB's "new path" by playing 2nd mov'ts of the 'Tempest' and 'Kreutzer' sonatas - where the key breakthroughs of the "new path" are in the 1st movts - and played 3rd & 4th movts of the 2nd symphony, where the formal technical leap is in 1st mov't and the advance in handling sonorities is in the 2nd mov't. To cap it all, he sums up LvB's state of mind at the time of the Heiligenstadt Testament (1802) by playing the 'Kyrie' of the "Missa Solemnis" (1819-21). As Ezra Pound says, "stupidity carried beyond a certain point becomes a public menace".
20th: D. MacLeod opened with "Fidelio" - the march from Act I, obviously and necessarily generic. Then the Op. 40 Romance for violin & orchestra, *introduced as "betraying no signs of Beethoven's 'new path'". Then 5 pointless WoO piano variations on 'Rule, Britannia', followed by "Christ on Mount of Olives', of which Adorno could find no copy in a university city, as "entirely forgotten", which Lockwood called 'routine' and 'bombastic'. We got 20 minutes of that - summed-up thus: "but the true legacy of Heiligenstadt was to be [the 'Eroica'], not a rushed oratorio". The only 'new path' music we had was some of the 'Eroica' to close. My question is: who actually plans and writes this stuff? And *why? There are hundreds of B.Mus-es out there who can talk *and think!
21st: Earlier in the week C.o.t.W. displayed Beethoven's "new path" by playing the 2nd movements of the 'Tempest' and 'Kreutzer' sonatas - both works where the breakthroughs of the "new path" are in the 1st movements - and played 3rd & 4th movements of the 2nd symphony, where the formal technical leaps are in the 1st movement and the advance in handling sonorities is in the 2nd movement. To cap it all, Beethoven's state of mind at the time of the Heiligenstadt Testament (1802) was exemplified by playing the 'Kyrie' of the "Missa Solemnis" (1822). As Ezra Pound put it, "stupidity carried beyond a certain point becomes a public menace".
22nd: First off the Op. 31 no. 2 piano sonata, for biographical- anecdotal reasons (fine; it is still a masterpiece). Then ditto the Quintet for piano and winds, Op. 16, firmly pre-'new path' (1796), which Lockwood says was "designed for popularity and little more". Next the under-rated (as a 'WoO?) "Andante Favori", again played for reasons of anecdotage (quarrel with Ries); followed, ditto, by the Op. 47 "Kreutzer" sonata (quarrel with Bridgetower). With 10 minutes to go, the first mention of the 'new path' (declared theme of the week's programmes) and the the Op. 53 piano sonata, played with a *musicological rationale . . . As Adorno put it, it is formal laws that have to be identified, for if you cross the line into the documentary, any of Beethoven's conversation-books could be more meaningful than the Op. 131 string quartet.
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Originally posted by Bryn View PostI reproduce, below, only very slightly edited text messages I have received this week from poet and writer on music, Harry Gilonis. They are presented without further comment by me, at this stage:
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