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  • BBMmk2
    Late Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 20908

    #46
    That choral work they had on yesterday, was rather unique in his output, I thought?
    Don’t cry for me
    I go where music was born

    J S Bach 1685-1750

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    • Tony Halstead
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 1717

      #47
      Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
      I think the conversation shifted from WM onto Weinberg, Tony. (Incidentally - am I right in "remembering" that it was you who started a Thread on Mathias's Symphonies eighteen months or so ago?)
      Sorry! How very unaware of me...thnaks for putting me right!
      On 9.08.15 I started a thread on Mathias in general, asking whether a Mathias Society existed. I think the answer was no.

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      • Nevilevelis

        #48
        Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
        That choral work they had on yesterday, was rather unique in his output, I thought?
        The 2nd one - Ceremony after a Fire Raid, Op 63... ? Yes, I would say so.

        The Jesus College Canticles (from which the Magnificat is taken) are still very popular.

        Personally, I think some of his best music is choral, such as 'Let the People Praise thee, O God' and 'As Truly as God is our Father', which we heard on Monday in a superb recording by St. Paul's Cathedral Choir, London dir. John Scott of blessed memory. Many of the longer organ works (save the ones Tony mentions above) leave me feeling rather indifferent, and the shorter the better e.g. Choral (Easter, 1966), Canzonetta, Toccata Giocosa & Postlude. The very early 'Prelude, Elegy and Toccata' (1954) is very good, but I've never been able to find a publisher. I suspect it's still in MS, although it is on Richard Lea's recording of the complete organ works from Liverpool Met.

        I'm struck by how Tippett-like (esp. in orchestration) the Harp Concert is. I've not explored the symphonies or string qtts.

        NVV

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        • Pulcinella
          Host
          • Feb 2014
          • 11114

          #49
          Originally posted by Nevilevelis View Post
          I'm struck by how Tippett-like (esp. in orchestration) the Harp Concert is.
          That will be why I like it so much, then.

          Both you and S_A have commented on this, which I hadn't previously recognised.


          I have the Priory CD of Noel Rawsthorne playing both the Partita (Anglican Cathedral) and Invocations (Metropolitan Cathedral), painstakingly transferred (from tapes for the Metropolitan Cathedral and LP for the Anglican Cathedral, as the tapes had been lost) and well worth hearing. Invocations (dedicated to Rawsthorne) was commissioned by the Dean, Chapter, and Organist of the Anglican Cathedral for first performance at the Metropolitan Cathedral.

          Organ Music from the Two Cathedrals in Liverpool. Priory: PRCD931. Buy CD or download online. Noel Rawsthorne (organ), Flor Peeters (organ), Jeanne Demessieux (organ)

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          • Nevilevelis

            #50
            Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
            That will be why I like it so much, then.

            Both you and S_A have commented on this, which I hadn't previously recognised.
            The celesta in the Ritual Dances came to mind! (This may send me on a Tippett binge! )

            Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
            I have the Priory CD of Noel Rawsthorne playing both the Partita (Anglican Cathedral) and Invocations (Metropolitan Cathedral), painstakingly transferred (from tapes for the Metropolitan Cathedral and LP for the Anglican Cathedral, as the tapes had been lost) and well worth hearing. Invocations (dedicated to Rawsthorne) was commissioned by the Dean, Chapter, and Organist of the Anglican Cathedral for first performance at the Metropolitan Cathedral.
            Organ Music from the Two Cathedrals in Liverpool. Priory: PRCD931. Buy CD or download online. Noel Rawsthorne (organ), Flor Peeters (organ), Jeanne Demessieux (organ)


            We treasure these things, quite rightly!

            NVV

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            • Pulcinella
              Host
              • Feb 2014
              • 11114

              #51
              Originally posted by Nevilevelis View Post
              This may send me on a Tippett binge!

              There are certainly worse things to do on a rainy Thursday afternoon!

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              • Nevilevelis

                #52
                Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post

                There are certainly worse things to do on a rainy Thursday afternoon!
                Indeed! I have worse things to do, believe me, but I welcome the distraction!

                Incidentally, the final mvt of Vivat Regina, suite for brass band (1977), which we just heard, is pretty much identical to the anthem 'Lift up your heads, O ye gates' (1973). The latter was published in one of the Anthems for Choirs books and may have been a commission for the collection.

                NVV
                Last edited by Guest; 27-07-17, 12:55.

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                • ahinton
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 16123

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post

                  There are certainly worse things to do on a rainy Thursday afternoon!
                  Or indeed on a dry one - or on any afternoon (or other time of day) regardless of the weather!...

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                  • BBMmk2
                    Late Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20908

                    #54
                    I certainly enjoyed the organ work, Recessional. Be a good one for concert band to play. Also it ws great hearing his suite for brass band, Vivat Regina.
                    Don’t cry for me
                    I go where music was born

                    J S Bach 1685-1750

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                    • BBMmk2
                      Late Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 20908

                      #55
                      Originally posted by Nevilevelis View Post
                      Indeed! I have worse things to do, believe me, but I welcome the distraction!

                      Incidentally, the final mvt of Vivat Regina, suite for brass band (1977), which we just heard, is pretty much identical to the anthem 'Lift up your heads, O ye gates' (1973). The latter was published in one of the Anthems for Choirs books and may have been a commission for the collection.



                      NVV
                      NW, thanks for the info for Vivate Regina.
                      Don’t cry for me
                      I go where music was born

                      J S Bach 1685-1750

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                      • Serial_Apologist
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 37857

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                        I certainly enjoyed the organ work, Recessional. Be a good one for concert band to play. Also it ws great hearing his suite for brass band, Vivat Regina.
                        Trouble was, it could have just about have been by anyone! And I always cringe whenever a classical music announcer on Radio 3 speaks of "jazz influences" in a work about to be heard. In fact it usually refers to generally skippy rhythms, which could be as much madrigal-derived as jazz, probably more so: today's Clarinet Concerto being a case in point. The work came out of the 1950s light music soundworld with the odd "saucy" dissonace inserted in the outer movement and a slow movement redolent of warm beer, probably unavailable on Sundays in the Wales of the era it sounded as if it came from. Really, these people who talk of "jazz influences" should listen to some of the stuff or at least talk to Alyn Shipton, who I'm sure will be most helpful.

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                        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                          Gone fishin'
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 30163

                          #57
                          Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                          Trouble was, it could have just about have been by anyone!
                          This is what I've thought about a lot of the Music this week - the organ works sounded like a lot of other organ works; the brass band piece, sounded like a generic brass band piece; the choir pieces like any other mid-late 20th Century "English" choir piece: it's like he used an identikit composition method.

                          (Agree about the lazy "jazz influenced" label, too - about as jazzy as using a string section on an Adele song is "classically influenced" )
                          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                          • Richard Barrett
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                            • Jan 2016
                            • 6259

                            #58
                            Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                            a slow movement redolent of warm beer
                            Not pulling your punches there, S_A!

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                            • EdgeleyRob
                              Guest
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 12180

                              #59
                              Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                              I think the conversation shifted from WM onto Weinberg, Tony. (Incidentally - am I right in "remembering" that it was you who started a Thread on Mathias's Symphonies eighteen months or so ago?)
                              There's a link to that thread in post #8

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                              • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                                Gone fishin'
                                • Sep 2011
                                • 30163

                                #60
                                Originally posted by EdgeleyRob View Post
                                There's a link to that thread in post #8
                                [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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