Georg Philipp Telemann: 19 – 23 June

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  • MickyD
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 4857

    #31
    Vints, there simply isn't room for a THIRD Tafelmusik - but as ever, you are so persuasive...

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    • Richard Barrett
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      • Jan 2016
      • 6259

      #32
      Originally posted by MickyD View Post
      Vints, there simply isn't room for a THIRD Tafelmusik - but as ever, you are so persuasive...
      No but there is, really.

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      • vinteuil
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        • Nov 2010
        • 13014

        #33
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        ... and of course you will also want the various (excellent) Telemann CDs with Collegium Musicum 90 and Simon Standage on the chandos / chaconne labels. Had he only composed the Concerto for two chalumeaux in d minor TWV 52:d1 ( superb performance by Colin Lawson and Michael Harris) Telemann wd still have been a composer worth taking seriously -




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        • BBMmk2
          Late Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 20908

          #34
          Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
          Excellent Collection piece by David Vickers in Gramophone this month on the Telemann Musique de Table/Tafelmusik...

          Recommendations:

          Historic Innovation:
          Schola Cantorum Basiliensis/Wenzinger (Decca Eloquence 1964/5)

          Dazzling Musicianship:
          Musica Antiqua
          Köln/Goebel (Archiv 1988)

          Abundant Illumination:
          CMW/Harnoncourt (Teldec/Warners 1986/8)

          But the Top Choice was the recent:
          Freiburg Baroque O./Petra Müllejans, von der Goltz (HM 2009)
          That's the one I have, JLW! Freiburg Baroque Orchestra! As you say quite succinctly as usual, Jayne!
          Don’t cry for me
          I go where music was born

          J S Bach 1685-1750

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          • Richard Barrett
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            • Jan 2016
            • 6259

            #35
            I've just been listening again to the Freiburg recording of Tafelmusik. I do think it's worth having, although it really doesn't have the attention to detail that characterises both Harnoncourt and Goebel, both of whom of course must have have played more Telemann than almost anyone else living. The playing is very fine, but for me it doesn't have that sense of making the music new - it's a beautifully presented example of the contemporary state of Baroque performance, whereas with the other two you have a sense of "what if we do it like this?" Some years ago I was talking to someone who had played on both Harnoncourt and Goebel recordings (the Australian horn player Andrew Joy), who said he very much enjoyed participating in both but that for him Goebel had the edge in terms of excitement and imagination. I would go along with that. There's nothing about the Freiburg recording that makes me think anything but "this music is very fine indeed". Which of course is exactly what many people want!

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            • Richard Barrett
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              • Jan 2016
              • 6259

              #36
              Yesterday evening I had the choice either to go and see a friend playing in a programme of chamber music by Telemann or to go and see another friend playing in a programme of chamber music by Villa-Lobos. I chose the latter on account of this composer's music being unfamiliar to me and wanting not to stick to what I know. I wish I hadn't.

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              • Tony Halstead
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 1717

                #37
                Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                Yesterday evening I had the choice either to go and see a friend playing in a programme of chamber music by Telemann or to go and see another friend playing in a programme of chamber music by Villa-Lobos. I chose the latter on account of this composer's music being unfamiliar to me and wanting not to stick to what I know. I wish I hadn't.
                Don't you like Villa-Lobos as a result of that chamber music concert?
                The only V-L chamber music I know is the Nonet with wordless chorus, which IMV is 'interesting without being memorable'.
                As for Telemann, I have played several of his wind quintets for 2 oboes, 2 horns and bassoon, which are absolutely delightful.

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                • jayne lee wilson
                  Banned
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 10711

                  #38
                  Looking forward to this arriving tomorrow...


                  "a genuine slice of musical-instrument exoticism***.... a superbly colourful listen that ticks all possible boxes."
                  (Charlotte Gardner, G., 7/2017.)

                  ***because there's a calchedon in it...
                  Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 22-06-17, 15:35.

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                  • Richard Barrett
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                    • Jan 2016
                    • 6259

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Tony View Post
                    Don't you like Villa-Lobos as a result of that chamber music concert?
                    I didn't like what I heard, and I don't think I'd heard any of his chamber music before. Some of it was indeed "interesting without being memorable", while the rest was neither interesting nor memorable. Still, now I know. Back to Telemann.

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                    • vinteuil
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 13014

                      #40
                      Originally posted by MickyD View Post
                      Even all those years ago, I simply couldn't choose between the versions of Tafelmusik by Goebel and Harnoncourt, so I bought them both, at great expense! But they are indispensable in their own ways. Haven't heard the newer Freiburgers....
                      ... and when you have acquired the Freiburgers you will probably also want / need Bruggen / Concerto Amsterdam -



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                      • Richard Barrett
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                        • Jan 2016
                        • 6259

                        #41
                        Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                        Looking forward to this arriving tomorrow
                        Yes, that should be interesting, although TWV53:F1, supposedly for mandolin, dulcimer and harp, is actually the concerto for 3 violins from Tafelmusik II. I wonder how and why that arrangement came into being.

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                        • Richard Barrett
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                          • Jan 2016
                          • 6259

                          #42
                          Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                          Bruggen / Concerto Amsterdam
                          That's on "modern" instruments though (even if nicely played).

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                          • Bryn
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 24688

                            #43
                            The MAK set arrived today. Similar sort of packaging to the Soft Machine set I got a year or so ago. Outer slip case below Membran standard, though the individual card envelopes are somewhat better than plain paper and film versions. Note the irony of the name of the credited designer of the set, Sven Grot. O.K., so the pronunciation of the family name is not actually homophonic, but ...

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                            • MickyD
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 4857

                              #44
                              Good to see these excellent Barthold Kuijken Telemann recordings in a box set at last - they must be had!

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                              • doversoul1
                                Ex Member
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 7132

                                #45
                                Wednesday 28 Radio 3 in Concert

                                A treat is in store.

                                Wednesday 28 Radio 3 in Concert

                                Florilegium present a Telemann 250th Anniversary Concert.
                                Recorded at Wigmore Hall, London


                                Telemann:
                                Ouverture (Tafelmusik Suite in E minor, TWV55:e1)
                                Fantaisie for flute No. 9 in E major, TWV40:10
                                Cantata: Ihr Völker hört, TWV1:921

                                8.15: Interval

                                8.35
                                'Paris' Quartet in E minor, TWV43:e4
                                Trio Sonata in A major, TWV42:a5
                                Sonata in A major, TWV41:A6
                                Conclusion in E minor, TWV50:5 (Tafelmusik)

                                Clare Wilkinson, mezzo-soprano
                                Florilegium
                                Ashley Solomon, director

                                Florilegium showcases the exceptional variety of Telemann's compositions, from an intimate solo fantasie to the extraordinary collections of chamber music from his Tafelmusik, Essercizii Musici and Paris Quartets. Mezzo-soprano Clare Wilkinson joins Florilegium in one of the virtuosic cantatas from his Harmonischer Gottesdienst cycle of 1725-6.
                                From Wigmore Hall in London, Florilegium give a Telemann 250th anniversary concert.

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