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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
    • 20570

    Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
    The harmonic series applies to wind and brass instruments as well (that's how many instruments work)
    Brass ARE wind. But of course brasswind instruments rely upon the harmonic series totally. Even with valves and slides, the harmonic series is merely lowered to a new key. (Or has someone already said this? )

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    • EdgeleyRob
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      • Nov 2010
      • 12180

      Me again.
      What does this mean ?

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      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
        Gone fishin'
        • Sep 2011
        • 30163

        Originally posted by EdgeleyRob View Post
        Me again.
        What does this mean ?

        It usually occurs at a change of tempo or metre, Rob - telling the performer that in the new section the speed of the dotted crotchet is the same as the speed of the quaver in the previous section.
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        • Nick Armstrong
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          • Nov 2010
          • 26523

          Originally posted by EdgeleyRob View Post
          Me again.
          What does this mean ?

          I think it's a tempo change indication - that a quaver after the change should be the same as a dotted crotchet (i.e. 3 quavers) before the change, i.e. you get slower by a factor of 3.

          I think.
          "...the isle is full of noises,
          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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          • teamsaint
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            • Nov 2010
            • 25195

            Surely an inequality, not an equation?
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            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
              Gone fishin'
              • Sep 2011
              • 30163

              Originally posted by Caliban View Post
              I think it's a tempo change indication - that a quaver after the change should be the same as a dotted crotchet (i.e. 3 quavers) before the change, i.e. you get slower by a factor of 3.

              I think.
              - I think you're right (and I'd got it the wrong way round): there tends to be a Tempo modification and/or a new metronome mark so that it's obvious whether the Music gets three times faster or slower (in the example Rob gave).
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              • Nick Armstrong
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                • Nov 2010
                • 26523

                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                - I think you're right (and I'd got it the wrong way round)
                Oh! No.... I think I got it the wrong way round! OR did I. Can't decide now.

                Heeelp !!
                "...the isle is full of noises,
                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                  Gone fishin'
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 30163

                  Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                  Surely an inequality, not an equation?
                  Well, the pulse stays the same, but there's three times as much (or three times less) happening between each pulse.
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                  • teamsaint
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                    Well, the pulse stays the same, but there's three times as much (or three times less) happening between each pulse.
                    My (un) amusing reply was a play for time , ferney.

                    As simply as I can put it, what was previously written as a dotted crotchet is now written as a quaver.

                    Or, assuming The tempo is the same, the time given to each specific note type needs to be trebled.

                    I think.

                    In practice it would likely be obvious if you needed to treble or third the value.
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                    • Thropplenoggin
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                      • Mar 2013
                      • 1587

                      Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                      My (un) amusing reply was a play for time , ferney.

                      As simply as I can put it, what was previously written as a dotted crotchet is now written as a quaver.

                      Or, assuming The tempo is the same, the time given to each specific note type needs to be trebled.

                      I think.

                      In practice it would likely be obvious if you needed to treble or third the value.


                      So, trebles all round?

                      It loved to happen. -- Marcus Aurelius

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                      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                        Gone fishin'
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 30163

                        Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                        In practice it would likely be obvious if you needed to treble or third the value.
                        - the context makes everything clear. Usually.
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                        • EdgeleyRob
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 12180

                          Blimey this teach yourself music theory is a minefield.
                          Would something similar to



                          not do the same job ?

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                          • teamsaint
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 25195

                            Originally posted by Thropplenoggin View Post


                            So, trebles all round?

                            Ah yes, but not, of course, for the trebles, who would be under age.
                            Ironically.
                            I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                            I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                            • teamsaint
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 25195

                              Originally posted by EdgeleyRob View Post
                              Blimey this teach yourself music theory is a minefield.
                              Would something similar to



                              not do the same job ?
                              In the case you asked about, i would assume that the composer wanted to move from compound (beats divisible by 3)time to simple (beats divisible by 2 or 4 ) time.

                              There is usually another way round, in this case by using triplets perhaps, along with possibly a tempo change.
                              I think.
                              I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                              I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                              • Serial_Apologist
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                                • Dec 2010
                                • 37595

                                Originally posted by EdgeleyRob View Post


                                Could be a sign outside a sports gear shop, indicating they have 60 golf clubs for sale.

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