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Originally posted by Bryn View PostBut Maxwell is not part of his surname. It is one of his forenames (his middle name). Do you file Harrison Birtwistle under "P"? "Paul" is, after all, a perfectly good surname, e.g. Les Paul.
But on the continent e.g. Harrison Paul Birtwistle is Birtwistle and Peter Maxwell Davies is Maxwell Davies.
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Originally posted by Roehre View PostNo, as I even didn't know Birtwistle's middle name .
But on the continent e.g. Harrison Paul Birtwistle is Birtwistle and Peter Maxwell Davies is Maxwell Davies.
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Originally posted by Roehre View PostMine are under "M", as Maxwell is a perfect surname, contrary to Amadeus or Harry.
If you're filing for yourself, no problem: you file it in how you are most likely to look for it, correct or incorrect.
My difficulty is with titles. I have a reluctance to use a title until people have been deceased for some years, and not always then. Sir Thomas Beecham (or Beecham), but Max Davies (for clarity) and Birtwistle.
If they're still alive I regard the name without the title as the 'professional' name. Emma Kirkby. John Eliot Gardner.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by Sir Velo View PostSo presumably Bernd Alois Zimmermann goes under "A" in your collection; Hans Werner Henze under "W" and you'd file John Eliot Gardiner under "E" when arranging works by conductor?
And I don't do conductors in my files as I am interested in Beethoven's ninth and not in Karajan's or whoever is the guy possibly in charge of the orchestra, so no mention of JEG at all, not under Elliot nor Gardiner.
I do think this reaction of Sir Velo's is the kind which might be make reconsidering contributing here.
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostQuite; but why? Did "Davies" not sound remarkable enough at the start of his career. And why just him? Mozart is never filed under "A", no matter how "pleasurable, rhythmically, syllabically [?] and sonorously ... richly layered" some people find the name he never used.
Again, Why? Is it just good old-fashioned English snobbery?
Lutos said something very similar to me in one of our conversations.
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Does anyone know if there exists an "authoritative" listing for Havergal Brian's symphonies?
The reason for my asking is that I have taped recordings from BBC broadcasts at various points over time, from about 1967, and in many cases of listening these do not appear to accord with the numbered symphonies as referred to in Simpson's "The Symphony". I do know that at least one re-numbering has been undertaken. I'd like if possible to get the numbering and dates of composition right for my filing system.
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Who's Who has him listed as Maxwell Davies, Sir Peter. Usually the articles are drawn up and verified by the subjects themselves, which suggests that that is how he prefers to be listed. But it's a free world - people may do as they wish ...
(It's Musical Pedants' Paradise)It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View PostDoes anyone know if there exists an "authoritative" listing for Havergal Brian's symphonies?
The reason for my asking is that I have taped recordings from BBC broadcasts at various points over time, from about 1967, and in many cases of listening these do not appear to accord with the numbered symphonies as referred to in Simpson's "The Symphony". I do know that at least one re-numbering has been undertaken. I'd like if possible to get the numbering and dates of composition right for my filing system.
Whether it is or isn't an "authorative" list, I don't know (though I suspect it actually is, and use it as such):
M.MacDonald The Symphonies of Havergal Brian, 3 vols (1974, 1978 and 1983), which AFAIK is used by the HBsociety in its Newsletter (since 1975)
M. MacDonald: "The symphonies of Havergal Brian. Volume 1: Symphonies 1-12". Kahn and Averill, London (1974), ISBN 0 900707 28 3
M. MacDonald: "The symphonies of Havergal Brian. Volume 2: Symphonies 13-29". Kahn and Averill, London (1978), ISBN 0 900707 43 7
M. MacDonald: "The symphonies of Havergal Brian. Volume 3: Symphonies 30-22, survey and summing up". Kahn and Averill, London (1983), ISBN 0-8008-7530-3
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Originally posted by Roehre View PostWhether it is or isn't an "authorative" list, I don't know (though I suspect it actually is, and use it as such):
M.MacDonald The Symphonies of Havergal Brian, 3 vols (1974, 1978 and 1983), which AFAIK is used by the HBsociety in its Newsletter (since 1975)
M. MacDonald: "The symphonies of Havergal Brian. Volume 1: Symphonies 1-12". Kahn and Averill, London (1974), ISBN 0 900707 28 3
M. MacDonald: "The symphonies of Havergal Brian. Volume 2: Symphonies 13-29". Kahn and Averill, London (1978), ISBN 0 900707 43 7
M. MacDonald: "The symphonies of Havergal Brian. Volume 3: Symphonies 30-22, survey and summing up". Kahn and Averill, London (1983), ISBN 0-8008-7530-3
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Originally posted by EdgeleyRob View PostSilly question time,are KV (köchel verzeichnis) and K numbers one and the same ?It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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