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  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
    Gone fishin'
    • Sep 2011
    • 30163

    Originally posted by mercia View Post
    a sudden feeling of deja vu, I may have asked that question before in this thread and you answered me then too It was tonight's prom that made me think of it
    I don't remember doing so, mercs ... but at 644 posts, I'll take your word for it!
    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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    • teamsaint
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 25195

      Listening to the Rachmaninov Paganini fantasy the other night, and specifically the inverted variation, led me to thinking about the copyright issues that there might be, if a composer did the same thing today.

      So if a contemporary composer inverted somebody else's tune and then used it without acknowledging the original source, would there be a potential case for the composer of the original tune, assuming it was still in copyright? Or if the composer of the piece who used the inverted tune did acknowledge the source, might there be royalty payments due ?

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      I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

      I am not a number, I am a free man.

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      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
        Gone fishin'
        • Sep 2011
        • 30163

        A "contemporary composer" writing a "tune"???!!! Wash your keyboard out with soap!

        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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        • teamsaint
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 25195

          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
          A "contemporary composer" writing a "tune"???!!! Wash your keyboard out with soap!

          I could have said " song" ...that usually does it for GG.....

          ( glad you reminded me though, this screen needs a good scrub down. Must get some Brillo....)

          Oh, and thanks for the help , BTW.
          I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

          I am not a number, I am a free man.

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          • french frank
            Administrator/Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 30248

            The thing is that in them days the composer often composed the tune he was varying, and if he didn't there was no copyright anyway.

            As for nowadays, on the Lionel Sawkins basis a sufficient reworking claims its own copyright from the original.
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • Lat-Literal
              Guest
              • Aug 2015
              • 6983

              Officially who are the national composers of the following countries - and why?

              (a) England
              (b) Scotland
              (c) Wales
              (d) N Ireland
              (e) Britain
              (f) Rep of Ire

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              • Serial_Apologist
                Full Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 37593

                Originally posted by Lat-Literal View Post
                Officially who are the national composers of the following countries - and why?

                (a) England
                (b) Scotland
                (c) Wales
                (d) N Ireland
                (e) Britain
                (f) Rep of Ire
                (a) Vaughan Williams - because after him came rock'n'roll which was American, then came multiculturalism which is internationalist, and then Nigel Farage, who isn't and who as far as I know doesn't compose.

                (b) Sir Peter Maxwell Davies - because who else today is composing modern Scottish classical music, unless we include that Catholic bloke?

                (c) Boyce, a different Max.

                (d) Brian Irvine - because he's good and a mate of mine has been featured with him.

                (e) Elgar - because he made Little Britain seem great when our forbears ignored most of the downsides?

                (f) ...pass

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                • vinteuil
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 12793

                  Originally posted by Lat-Literal View Post
                  Officially who are the national composers of the following countries - and why?

                  (a) England
                  (b) Scotland
                  (c) Wales
                  (d) N Ireland
                  (e) Britain
                  (f) Rep of Ire
                  (a) Pelham Humfrey
                  (b) Thomas Erskine 6th Earl of Kellie
                  (c) Thomas Tomkins
                  (d) Ruaidri Dáll Ó Catháin
                  (e) William Lawes
                  (f) John Field

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                  • MrGongGong
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 18357

                    Originally posted by Lat-Literal View Post
                    Officially who are the national composers of the following countries - and why?
                    "Officially"?

                    According to?

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                    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                      Gone fishin'
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 30163

                      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                      (b) Sir Peter Maxwell Davies - because who else today is composing modern Scottish classical music, unless we include that Catholic bloke?
                      James Dillon.
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                      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                        Gone fishin'
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 30163

                        a) John Dunstable
                        b) Robert Carver
                        c) Richard Barrett
                        d) erm ...
                        e) is "Britain" a "nation"?
                        f) dunno
                        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                        • Serial_Apologist
                          Full Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 37593

                          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                          James Dillon.
                          Well OK! I was thinking more vernacular - but maybe Dillon is!

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                          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                            Gone fishin'
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 30163

                            Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                            Well OK! I was thinking more vernacular - but maybe Dillon is!
                            Depends whose vernacular!
                            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                            • Lat-Literal
                              Guest
                              • Aug 2015
                              • 6983

                              Some interesting posts here.

                              Surely in the US it is Copland and in Brazil it is Villa-Lobos?

                              Maybe the Europeans are less sure about this sort of thing?
                              Last edited by Lat-Literal; 10-10-15, 10:04.

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                              • Pabmusic
                                Full Member
                                • May 2011
                                • 5537

                                Originally posted by Lat-Literal View Post
                                Officially who are the national composers of the following countries - and why?

                                (a) England
                                (b) Scotland
                                (c) Wales
                                (d) N Ireland
                                (e) Britain
                                (f) Rep of Ire
                                There are no 'official' composers, other than the Masters of the Queen's (King's) Music(k). Let's hope there never are.

                                Now if you mean the 'most representative' there's possibly room for discussion.
                                Last edited by Pabmusic; 10-10-15, 10:26.

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