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  • Serial_Apologist
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    • Dec 2010
    • 37595

    Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
    But not even as useful as diminished sevenths (ie: rootless dominant minor ninths).
    Like, taking ferney's dominant G, a chord of G natural, B flat, D flat, E natural, and getting the first inversion by taking the bottom G natural and placing it at the top, etc? Very Tchaikovsky, sequencing that up the keyboard as arpeggios!

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    • Eine Alpensinfonie
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      • Nov 2010
      • 20570

      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
      Now, onto diminished chord inversions!
      They are a bit like whole-tone scale inversions. Or even chromatic scale inversions.

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      • Serial_Apologist
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        • Dec 2010
        • 37595

        Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
        They are a bit like whole-tone scale inversions. Or even chromatic scale inversions.
        In other words the same in either "direction", or symmetrical, if I understand correctly. Or have I got this completely wrong?!

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
          Gone fishin'
          • Sep 2011
          • 30163

          Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
          In other words the same in either "direction", or symmetrical, if I understand correctly. Or have I got this completely wrong?!
          No, that's right. And if you play two different diminished sevenths alternately, you get the Octotonic scale (or Messiaen's Second Mode of Limited Transposition) so beloved of Rimsky, Stravinsky and (according to Louis Andriesson) every Dutch composer from 1920 - 1970!

          C, D,Eb, F,Gb,Ab,A,B
          Last edited by ferneyhoughgeliebte; 23-08-14, 15:52. Reason: VAT added to Chord
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          • Serial_Apologist
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            • Dec 2010
            • 37595

            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
            No, that's right. And if you play two different diminished triads alternately, you get the Octotonic scale (or Messiaen's Second Mode of Limited Transposition) so beloved of Rimsky, Stravinsky and (according to Louis Andriesson) every Dutch composer from 1920 - 1970!

            C, D,Eb, F,Gb,Ab,A,B
            Hooray! Thanks again!

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            • Richard Barrett

              Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
              triads in second inversion seem to take their "identity" from the bass note, so a C major triad in second inversion (with G in the Bass) can sound like a G major chord with a double suspension or appoggiatura over the "root". This is the basis of the Ic - V - I cadence.
              I don't understand this modern music.

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              • verismissimo
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                • Nov 2010
                • 2957

                Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                I don't understand this modern music.
                Yeah. Right.

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                • Richard Barrett

                  Originally posted by verismissimo View Post
                  Yeah. Right.
                  Only kidding... but actually, imagine that someone posted something like that about the workings of serial composition, you'd very likely get responses as to how obscure and abstract the whole business is!

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                  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20570

                    Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                    Only kidding... but actually, imagine that someone posted something like that about the workings of serial composition, you'd very likely get responses as to how obscure and abstract the whole business is!
                    Serialism is much simpler in terms of theory.

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                    • Richard Barrett

                      Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                      Serialism is much simpler in terms of theory.
                      It can be, and was in Schoenberg's original formulation, but so of course can tonality. It can also (like tonality) be a complexly-interconnected universe of musical relationships on many different levels, as for example in something like Stockhausen's Klavierstück X, and maybe I should add for the doubters that yes, you can hear this, although it might not be that easy to be analytically precise about what you hear, any more than it is in late 19th century tonal music (or Strauss!).

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                      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                        Gone fishin'
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 30163

                        Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                        Serialism is much simpler in terms of theory.
                        Go on then - Hexachordal Combinatoriality by Inversion.
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                        • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 20570

                          You've got me there. I had to look it up.

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                          • amateur51

                            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                            Go on then - Hexachordal Combinatoriality by Inversion.
                            Is that by Anne Inversion (one of the Shropshire side of the Inversion family)?


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                            • Richard Barrett

                              Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                              Is that by Anne Inversion (one of the Shropshire side of the Inversion family)?
                              Typical - using any excuse to promote Inversion on the Radio 3 Forum.

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                              • Serial_Apologist
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                                • Dec 2010
                                • 37595

                                Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                                Is that by Anne Inversion (one of the Shropshire side of the Inversion family)?


                                No it's what used to be called six of the best before caning was abolished.

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