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  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
    Gone fishin'
    • Sep 2011
    • 30163

    Originally posted by verismissimo View Post
    Yes.
    Or even "Es muss sein"? The reference is to the superscriptio at the head of the finale Beethoven's F major String Quartet, Op 135, but I suspect that anamesis is also pointing out the notation of this motto (G - E - Ab) with its diminished fourth, as well as its cousinship with the Shostakovich theme that I mentioned a few posts ago (and which I hadn't previously been aware: that "daa-dee-DADADA" over the F double sharp pedal a referencing of bars 5 - 12 of the Beethoven finale (just before the Allegro begins).
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    • amateur51

      Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
      Or even "Es muss sein"? The reference is to the superscriptio at the head of the finale Beethoven's F major String Quartet, Op 135, but I suspect that anamesis is also pointing out the notation of this motto (G - E - Ab) with its diminished fourth, as well as its cousinship with the Shostakovich theme that I mentioned a few posts ago (and which I hadn't previously been aware: that "daa-dee-DADADA" over the F double sharp pedal a referencing of bars 5 - 12 of the Beethoven finale (just before the Allegro begins).
      Are you suggesting that Shostakovivh was a DADADA-ist?

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30248

        Originally posted by EdgeleyRob View Post
        What exactly is a chamber orchestra ?
        Is it simply down to the number of musicians involved,do they bring in extra troops for the bigger works ?
        Is there repertoire that couldn't be programmed by a co ?
        Apparently Bruckner is not out of bounds.
        Wiki includes this.

        I'd thought it was the orchestral equivalent of a chamber choir - a smaller group (in terms of amateur choirs, usually of an especially high standard). I'd be interested to know the exact answer too. Would the SCO have been augmented to perform the Bruckner?
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • gurnemanz
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 7380

          Originally posted by EdgeleyRob View Post
          What exactly is a chamber orchestra ?
          A definition based on an old East German joke : The Gewandhaus Orchestra or Staatskapelle returning from a tour to the West.

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          • french frank
            Administrator/Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 30248

            Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
            A definition based on an old East German joke : The Gewandhaus Orchestra or Staatskapelle returning from a tour to the West.
            Slightly more seriously, I see the COE has 60 members (had to correct my first answer, having misread Swedish Chamber Orchestra as Chamber Orchestra of Europe and, accordingly, Thomas Dausgaard as Claudio Abbado. Funny thing, the brain .
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • Petrushka
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 12234

              Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
              A definition based on an old East German joke : The Gewandhaus Orchestra or Staatskapelle returning from a tour to the West.


              I see that Bernard Haitink is conducting the COE in the Berg Violin Concerto next June. I had thought that the piece used a standard symphony orchestra set up including bass drum and cymbals but then I see that it has been recorded by the Orchestra Mozart (and Abbado) which is certainly a chamber orchestra so I too am puzzled by the definition.
              "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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              • richardfinegold
                Full Member
                • Sep 2012
                • 7652

                Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                A definition based on an old East German joke : The Gewandhaus Orchestra or Staatskapelle returning from a tour to the West.

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                • EdgeleyRob
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 12180

                  Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                  A definition based on an old East German joke : The Gewandhaus Orchestra or Staatskapelle returning from a tour to the West.

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                  • Richard Barrett

                    As with so many musical definitions, a chamber orchestra isn't anything "exactly" - it can refer to an organisation like the COE, which began as an orchestra playing smaller-scale works using basically 18th-century instrumental resources but subsequently allowed itself to expand into later (and larger) repertoire; or it can refer to the ensemble for which some particular piece of music might be specifically written, like Berio's Requies "for chamber orchestra", with a minimum of 44 players specified. (On the other hand, for example, Brahms's favourite Meiningen Court Orchestra consisted of around 40 players at the time he conducted it.)

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                    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                      Gone fishin'
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 30163

                      Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                      Are you suggesting that Shostakovivh was a DADADA-ist?
                      Who Nose?
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                      • EdgeleyRob
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 12180

                        Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                        As with so many musical definitions, a chamber orchestra isn't anything "exactly"
                        Ah,I rather thought that might be the case when I asked the question.

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30248

                          Originally posted by EdgeleyRob View Post
                          Ah,I rather thought that might be the case when I asked the question.
                          Yes, 'exact' answer appreciated - 'inexactly'.
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • verismissimo
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 2957

                            Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                            As with so many musical definitions, a chamber orchestra isn't anything "exactly"...
                            Exactly. As with ALL definitions - not given by God, but formulations made by a particular person (or group) at a particular time, in order to be useful, not restrictive. (And very possibly "not accurate" the next day or even on that day if viewed by another).

                            So the meaning eg of what constitutes art, or music, or literature now is quite different from how it might have been formulated a hundred years ago. And will certainly be different again a hundred years on.

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                            • Eine Alpensinfonie
                              Host
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 20570

                              Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                              A definition based on an old East German joke : The Gewandhaus Orchestra or Staatskapelle returning from a tour to the West.

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                              • amateur51

                                Originally posted by Petrushka View Post


                                I see that Bernard Haitink is conducting the COE in the Berg Violin Concerto next June.
                                Where is he doing this Petrushka? And who is the violin soliist please?

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