Rattle/BPO announce London residency in 2015

[Beef Oven!]

Whom do you believe you are kidding, Barbie? You are absolutely obssessed with this Music - you can't resist mentioning it at every possibility, regardless of whether it's germane to the topic Thread, hoping to convince yourself and everyone else that it isn't important to you. It has seaped under your skin into your imagination in the way that only great Art can do - you've become like a teenager denying that he fancies someone. Go on; admit it (you know you want to): you love Lachenmann!

Careful ferney, this is a boy who gets breathless listening to Magnard!

[Beef Oven!]

I had to look up klang

It's like Kraftwerk never happened

[Barbirollians]

Whom do you believe you are kidding, Barbie? You are absolutely obssessed with this Music - you can't resist mentioning it at every possibility, regardless of whether it's germane to the topic Thread, hoping to convince yourself and everyone else that it isn't important to you. It has seaped under your skin into your imagination in the way that only great Art can do - you've become like a teenager denying that he fancies someone. Go on; admit it (you know you want to): you love Lachenmann!

I will - the day Mr Pee declares his hatred for Sky , scottycelt comes out of the closet and JLW gives up all her sound equipment for a LG £60 ghettoblaster .

[Beef Oven!]

A classic of the genre IMV

http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/w/90064/Jonty-Harrison-Klang

(not Kling Klang though , that's something else entirely ..... but also rather good)

And from Birmingham to Vernon Elliott on the moon..............

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I will - the day Mr Pee declares his hatred for Sky , scottycelt comes out of the closet and JLW gives up all her sound equipment for a LG £60 ghettoblaster .

Beatrice and Benedict, sir: Beatrice and Benedict! (And notice how it wasn't my proselytizing for Lachenmann that brought the name to cloughie's attention ... )

[amateur51]

This welcome slew of concerts is to celebrate Sir Simon at Sixty apparently

Now that makes me feel very old.

Rattle in Sibelius harks back to his CBSO days. I wonder if he is using these concerts as a calling card for his assumption as Chief Conductor of LSO - the Lachenmann suggests so - he was a great programmer of contemporary music in those days.

i greatly look forward to seeing and hearing more of Sir Simon in London in future

[Stanley Stewart]

Indeed, ams. Do you recall the Rattle Sibelius cycle at the QEH, early 80s? He also included a memorable double- bill of Poulenc's La Voix humaine with a heart- rending performance from Elisabeth Soderstrom, concluding with a witty and delicious Ravel, L'Enfant et les sortileges. Happy memories.

[amateur51]

Indeed, ams. Do you recall the Rattle Sibelius cycle at the QEH, early 80s? He also included a memorable double- bill of Poulenc's La Voix humaine with a heart- rending performance from Elisabeth Soderstrom, concluding with a witty and delicious Ravel, L'Enfant et les sortileges. Happy memories.

Great times Stanley -- I also recall his conducting a performance of Janacek's Osud in QEH I think, when such music was quite a rarity in UK

[Gordon]

.... and think he has neutered the Klang of the BPO.

Which Klang would that be Throppers? Nikisch, Furtwangler [twice], Karajan or Abbado? Not to mention Celibidache. Perhaps German mahogany [or should that be Mahagonny] has been tempered with English willow?

Reading this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Philharmonic

surprised me as to how long Rattle has been there [or will be if he sees out his current contract] and also how the orchestra changed its constitution in 2001.

Having said that I still remember the BPO sound in the RFH years ago when Karajan came. Effortless Power, Precision and Tone [or should that be Kraft, Korrekt und Klang?] - and the music wasn't bad either.

[BBMmk2]

Well, personally, I do not know where this information has come from, Rattle succeed Gergiev. Inside information has told me there are no such plans at all.

[VodkaDilc]

This is a bit strange. My paper Guardian has a different account (on page 25) from the one mentioned in message 1. Mine is by Mark Brown and includes the phrase, 'arguably the world's best orchestra'. I took exception to that when I read it this morning; perhaps someone had second thoughts and changed it online. My experience at last year's Proms suggested that it was far from the best.

(I suppose every newspaper today might have undergone rapid revision in view of the major story announced last evening, so perhaps that explains the situation - though not the inflated claim.)

[Thropplenoggin]

Which Klang would that be Throppers? Nikisch, Furtwangler [twice], Karajan or Abbado? Not to mention Celibidache. Perhaps German mahogany [or should that be Mahagonny] has been tempered with English willow?

Reading this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Philharmonic

surprised me as to how long Rattle has been there [or will be if he sees out his current contract] and also how the orchestra changed its constitution in 2001.

Having said that I still remember the BPO sound in the RFH years ago when Karajan came. Effortless Power, Precision and Tone [or should that be Kraft, Korrekt und Klang?] - and the music wasn't bad either.

Furtwangler, though guest appearances with Knappertsbusch (Beethoven, Brahms, Bruckner) and Bohm (Mozart's Posthorn Sonata (wow!!!)) show others could induce said Klang. The rot set in with Abbado.

[Thropplenoggin]

Sounds far too musical for Lachenmann. I understood he had to drop his bow , scratch his or her back with it , scrape it along the music stand of the first violinist and then flick the back of the violin with a tuning fork .

Ah, the fabled 'Eric Morecambe' cadenza.

[Barbirollians]

Ah, the fabled 'Eric Morecambe' cadenza.

I am playing all the right notes Mr Lachenmann but in E Flat Major .

[Gordon]

... others could induce said Klang. The rot set in with Abbado.

Dratted Italians!! We Germans can never rely on them.

So what were the properties of this Klang then? We're all aware of the VPO Klang obtained through training and having a set of dedicated instruments [in the strings at least] as well as those horns. What did the BPO up to Karajan have? By reading some biographies, notably those many Karajan ones, one can get an idea of what they we looking for and some of the means of doing it. The Philharmonia sound in the fifities was that of the Legge/Karajan ideal. Dennis B was forced to drop his favoured Raoux for an Alexander. I was never taken by the oboe sound of the BPO.