Tchaikovsky - time to rehabilitate?

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  • cloughie
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    • Dec 2011
    • 22072

    Originally posted by Bryn View Post
    I recall saving almost all of it in mp2 format from a Pure Bug. Highlights included the version of Stravinsky's Les Noces with Rex Lawson in charge of the player-piano part, and the original version of Tchaikovsky's Winter Daydreams Symphony (No. 1).
    Just checked my catalogue of recordings and incredibly it was in Feb 2007. Where did all those years go? I recorded Sym 1 by BBCPO Noseda and PragueSO Smetacek. It seemed that Noseda had quite an input into the project as his recordings of all the Sympnohies inc Manfred and also the Tchaik influenced Strav Fairy's Kiss.

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    • Barbirollians
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 11530

      Enjoyed the HVK but slightly scrubby remastering .

      Fun to hear the choral 1812 after many moons.

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      • BBMmk2
        Late Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 20908

        Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
        Enjoyed the HVK but slightly scrubby remastering .

        Fun to hear the choral 1812 after many moons.
        Is there any recoding that has the choral version?
        Don’t cry for me
        I go where music was born

        J S Bach 1685-1750

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
          Gone fishin'
          • Sep 2011
          • 30163

          Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
          Is there any recoding that has the choral version?
          Yes - the Karajan recording with the Don Cossack choir (conducted by its founder, Serge Jaroff) that's the coupling for the 1967 Serenade on DG Galleria. (I had the performance on LP, with the Beethoven "Battle" Symphony on the other side.)

          The choir was a favourite of Karajan's - and this is the only time that he "shared" the conducting honours; the choir recorded their section under Jaroff, the orchestra playing the remainder, recorded at different sessions.

          Conductor : Herbert von KarajanBerlin PhilharmonicDon Cossack ChoirOctober 13-December 29, 1966Berlin The Church of Jesus Christ
          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
            Gone fishin'
            • Sep 2011
            • 30163

            And then there's this:

            Listen first to small extract of Tchaikovsky piano concerto Nr 1 with it's main themefrom an old ukrainian folk song...then see what S.Jaroff and the Don Cos...
            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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            • Eine Alpensinfonie
              Host
              • Nov 2010
              • 20565

              There are many variations of choral 1812s.

              My first recording was on a 45 rpm EP, with the choir singing the opening 4-note Russian hymn and the imperial Russian National anthem at the end.
              Other versions add the choir to the reprise of the the opening Russian hymn, either instead of, or as well as at the opening of the work.
              And there are Soviet insertions too.

              There are HIPP versions too, with no cannons.

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              • BBMmk2
                Late Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 20908

                Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                There are many variations of choral 1812s.

                My first recording was on a 45 rpm EP, with the choir singing the opening 4-note Russian hymn and the imperial Russian National anthem at the end.
                Other versions add the choir to the reprise of the the opening Russian hymn, either instead of, or as well as at the opening of the work.
                And there are Soviet insertions too.

                There are HIPP versions too, with no cannons.
                I would love a choral version that has the whole gamut!!! The Antal Dorati version would have been even better if he had the choral version as well.
                Don’t cry for me
                I go where music was born

                J S Bach 1685-1750

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                • Eine Alpensinfonie
                  Host
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 20565

                  Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                  I would love a choral version that has the whole gamut!!! The Antal Dorati version would have been even better if he had the choral version as well.
                  There are no choral options in my score.

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                  • Barbirollians
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 11530

                    Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                    Enjoyed the HVK but slightly scrubby remastering .

                    Fun to hear the choral 1812 after many moons.
                    Wasn't this post on the Serenade for Strings thread or am I going mad ?

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                    • cloughie
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 22072

                      Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                      Wasn't this post on the Serenade for Strings thread or am I going mad ?
                      There is an Ashkenazy recording of Serenade for Strings with the StPetersburg - anyone heard or got it? It's coupled with the PO Sym 5 on a Decca reissue. That recording of No 5 is also coupled with a Serenade for Strings on the HMV store led cfm Full Works label but does anyone know if it is the StPPO/Ashkenazy or some other from the Umg that it is coupled with?

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                      • Bryn
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 24688

                        Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                        There are no choral options in my score.
                        As far as I know, the choral contribution is modern. It first appeared in a version of the score prepared by Igor Buketoff c. 1960.

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                        • Beef Oven!
                          Ex-member
                          • Sep 2013
                          • 18147

                          Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                          Tchaikovsky is one of my favourite composers, always has been ever since I can remember. In fact he's a desert island composer for me.

                          It's queer, that having said that, I play his music less often than I used to and he rarely gets a mention on the forum.

                          When I was a kid, his music seemed to be everywhere, even more than Beethoven's, now it's a rarity.

                          Is it not time to restore him, especially given our preference for music from the 1800s?

                          Lest he suffers the fate of Mendelssohn


                          Tchaikovsky. Gergiev. Romeo & Juliet Overture - Kirov Orchestra. CD. Very Loud.

                          Underrated composer, underrated conductor.

                          Sound Quality on this CD is remarkable.

                          Last edited by Beef Oven!; 15-10-17, 05:51.

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                          • BBMmk2
                            Late Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 20908

                            That looks rather good beefy. have you heard the Buchkov reciordings, thus far? Strongly advise you do!
                            Don’t cry for me
                            I go where music was born

                            J S Bach 1685-1750

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                            • Beef Oven!
                              Ex-member
                              • Sep 2013
                              • 18147

                              Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                              That looks rather good beefy. have you heard the Buchkov reciordings, thus far? Strongly advise you do!
                              No I haven't. The Concertgebouw recording you mean?

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                              • pastoralguy
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 7687

                                I'm waiting for Bychkov's 'Pathetique' with the Czech Philharmonic to come through the door.

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