2014 is 80 years since Elgar, Holst and Delius died.

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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
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    #16
    Elgar's The Starlight Express - the entire play with the complete incidental music, just to know how it's all supposed to fit together.

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    • salymap
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      • Nov 2010
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      #17
      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
      Elgar - Owls
      Holst - Scherzo from unfinished symphony
      Delius - North Country Sketches


      Oh I thought it one ofyour puzzles/jokes S_A. And Elgar 'Owls' ??

      And I'd like to hear that Delius work I half remember at a live concert
      Is it 'Idyll'? Once I passed through a populous City'

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      • Serial_Apologist
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        • Dec 2010
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        #18
        Originally posted by salymap View Post
        Oh I thought it one ofyour puzzles/jokes S_A. And Elgar 'Owls' ??
        A choral piece that much impressed me for its advanced harmonic era when I heard it during a TV programme on Elgar's choral music, about a year ago, saly.

        And I'd like to hear that Delius work I half remember at a live concert
        Is it 'Idyll'? Once I passed through a populous City'
        It wasn't "Hey Diddled Idyll", by any chance??

        The Holst "Scherzo" contains more meaningful content, for me, than practically any piece of "new music" I have heard over the past 15 years. He composed it on his deathbed, barely able to hold a pen let alone read what he had written, yet the intelligence in the music shows his clarity of mind was still intact right to the end. How he would have loved some of the jazz being composed and played today! I weep when I think of the rest of the symphony Holst's death deprived us of. Imagine a whole work composed at this level of inspirational intensity!

        Gustav Holst (1874-1934): Scherzo, da una sinfonia incompiuta (1933/1934) -- BBC Symphony Orchestra diretta da Adrian Boult -- prima esecuzione e incisione m...


        Enjoy!
        Last edited by Serial_Apologist; 29-10-13, 18:28.

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        • antongould
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          • Nov 2010
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          #19
          Pretty boring as ever but as I've never heard any of them live

          Cockaigne Overture
          Hammersmith
          Delius Violin Concerto

          And are you not involved in the history of the VC salymap? Or is my memory playing up (again).....

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          • teamsaint
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            • Nov 2010
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            #20
            Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
            Elgar - Owls
            Holst - Scherzo from unfinished symphony
            Delius - North Country Sketches
            The Holst is amazing. Thanks S_A.

            here is the performance of Owls from that BBC film, at about 1 hour 12 mins.
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            • EdgeleyRob
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              • Nov 2010
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              #21
              Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
              The Holst "Scherzo" contains more meaningful content, for me, than practically any piece of "new music" I have heard over the past 15 years. He composed it on his deathbed, barely able to hold a pen let alone read what he had written, yet the intelligence in the music shows his clarity of mind was still intact right to the end. How he would have loved some of the jazz being composed and played today! I weep when I think of the rest of the symphony Holst's death deprived us of. Imagine a whole work composed at this level of inspirational intensity!

              Gustav Holst (1874-1934): Scherzo, da una sinfonia incompiuta (1933/1934) -- BBC Symphony Orchestra diretta da Adrian Boult -- prima esecuzione e incisione m...


              Enjoy!
              Never heard that before S_A,terrific stuff,many thanks,if only.

              Here's another scherzo from a Holst Symphony (first choral),not everyone's cup of tea I would imagine but I thinks it's a wonderful work.
              There are sketches for a second Choral Symphony too,if only again.

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              • salymap
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                • Nov 2010
                • 5969

                #22
                Originally posted by antongould View Post
                Pretty boring as ever but as I've never heard any of them live

                Cockaigne Overture
                Hammersmith
                Delius Violin Concerto

                And are you not involved in the history of the VC salymap? Or is my memory playing up (again).....


                What a memory anton. Well I was entrusted to take Delius' mss full score from London to Yarmouth plus scores of Holst 2 pieces.

                The thing I remember is that Delius signed his name as 'Fritz' as late as the VC.

                Just run of the mill; we had lots of mss scores in dirty old parcels in the Augener London Hire Library. Very spidery and creepy too.

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                • Serial_Apologist
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                  • Dec 2010
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by EdgeleyRob View Post
                  Never heard that before S_A,terrific stuff,many thanks,if only.

                  Here's another scherzo from a Holst Symphony (first choral),not everyone's cup of tea I would imagine but I thinks it's a wonderful work.
                  There are sketches for a second Choral Symphony too,if only again.

                  Thanks ER - and also Teamsaint for digging out the Elgar programme.

                  There are passages elsewhere in the Choral Symphony strongly suggestive of the use of fourth chords-based harmony in jazz 40 years+ later. Listening to this Scherzo ftrom the Choral Symphony also prompts me to think of Holst as probably Britten's biggest influence.

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                  • EdgeleyRob
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    #24
                    The Hymn of Jesus should surely be performed more often,it's an astounding masterpiece IMVHO.

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                    • Serial_Apologist
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                      • Dec 2010
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by EdgeleyRob View Post
                      The Hymn of Jesus should surely be performed more often,it's an astounding masterpiece IMVHO.
                      Hmmm - I always find the ending too protracted, and a little bombastic. I prefer the Ode to Death, from around the same time.

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                      • Pabmusic
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                        • May 2011
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                        Who is Elgar ? ...
                        Sadly, not anyone anymore. But can I suggest you explore his music. The Dream of Gerontius might be a good starter for you.

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                        • salymap
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                          • Nov 2010
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                          #27
                          Some of Elgar's lighter suites are very attractive and I loved them as a youngster before I heard the symphonies and choral works.

                          The Wand of Youth and the Nursery Suite are worth hearing and Sea Pictures - I have some old LPs of most of his music, played by people who knew him probably

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                          • Serial_Apologist
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                            • Dec 2010
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                            #28
                            Originally posted by salymap View Post
                            Some of Elgar's lighter suites are very attractive
                            Cavalry twill, saly???

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                            • MrGongGong
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                              • Nov 2010
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                              Sadly, not anyone anymore. But can I suggest you explore his music. The Dream of Gerontius might be a good starter for you.

                              Been there ........ never again
                              it's Merzbow and Gorgoroth for me these days

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                              • EdgeleyRob
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                                • Nov 2010
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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                                Hmmm - I always find the ending too protracted, and a little bombastic. I prefer the Ode to Death, from around the same time.
                                He wrote some amazing choral music didn't he S_A.
                                I've got the Chandos/Hickox collection which includes the above,think I'll play it next.

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