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  • mercia
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    • Nov 2010
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    Books about music

    What books about music, of any description, do forumites recommend ?
    Last edited by mercia; 23-10-13, 09:25.
  • teamsaint
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    • Nov 2010
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    #2
    Originally posted by mercia View Post
    interesting. I wonder what other classical music guide books anyone here might recommend. It might need a new thread I guess.
    a great idea Mercs.
    Please do start it .
    Xmas is coming up too......
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    • ardcarp
      Late member
      • Nov 2010
      • 11102

      #3
      If anyone wants a decent one volume guide to classical music then they should by the "Oxford Companion to Music" (preferably in Percy Grove rather than modern Latham edition).


      I must leap to the defence of Alison Latham who did a fine job with the new Oxford Companion. Did you mean Percy Scholes? Yes, he did a good job too, but one cannot halt the course of music history in 1936!

      I'm not sure either edition was ever intended to be read as a continuous text (except maybe by Brain of Britain contenders with an autistic tendency) because surely it is a reference book. It's more than a dictionary, but less of a learned tome (or should I say tomes) than MGG or Grove. As such, it succeeds very well IMO, and my copy is well-thumbed.

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      • french frank
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        • Feb 2007
        • 30301

        #4
        And surely best is to pop down to your local library for a membership card (if you haven't already got one) and have 24-hour access to the (regularly updated Grove and Oxford Dictionary.

        It depends whether you want the pleasure of browsing through a book by your fireside or whether you want a reference tool to answer specific queries as they crop up.

        [Apparently, the CFM book was the best-selling book on classical music of 2012. Is that a threat to the availability of deeper scholarship or good news?]
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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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          • Sep 2011
          • 30163

          #5
          Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
          I must leap to the defence of Alison Latham who did a fine job with the new Oxford Companion. Did you mean Percy Scholes? Yes, he did a good job too, but one cannot halt the course of music history in 1936!

          I'm not sure either edition was ever intended to be read as a continuous text (except maybe by Brain of Britain contenders with an autistic tendency) because surely it is a reference book. It's more than a dictionary, but less of a learned tome (or should I say tomes) than MGG or Grove. As such, it succeeds very well IMO, and my copy is well-thumbed.


          There's also the Oxford Dictionary of Music which makes an excellent companion:



          (Incidentally, anyone wanting to know what ideas about Music where around in 1936 can get Scholes' version for cheaper-than-chips figures:
          Buy The Oxford Companion to Music 10th by Percy A. Scholes, John Owen Ward (ISBN: 9780193113060) from Amazon's Book Store. Everyday low prices and free delivery on eligible orders.
          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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          • french frank
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            • Feb 2007
            • 30301

            #6
            Should have said that by 24-hour I meant that it would be online free of charge - including the Oxford Dictionary.
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • Anna

              #7
              I too have the Oxford Dictionary of Music (not the latest, mine is the revised edition by Michael Kennedy, bought secondhand) I found it very useful, especially when I was doing the AA quiz! And that's the only musical reference book I have, except years ago the Rough Guide to Classical Music (!)

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              • ardcarp
                Late member
                • Nov 2010
                • 11102

                #8
                I like the idea of this new thread. I have just been staring at my dusty shelf of books about music, and realising that most are probably out-dated. Times change, and scholarship progresses (and here's the cynic at work) by overturning previous tenets (e.g. Monteverdi didn't space out his choirs...they all huddled together on the floor of San Marco). I think the once popular Opera as Drama by Joseph Kerman is still a good read, but best of all are the slim BBC Music Guides (eg Hyatt-King on Mozart Chamber Music, Robbins Landon on Haydn Symphonies, Denis Arnold on Monteverdi Madrigals..the titles are legion). I still dip into these, and I wish something similar were available today.

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                • teamsaint
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 25210

                  #9
                  Originally posted by french frank View Post
                  And surely best is to pop down to your local library for a membership card (if you haven't already got one) and have 24-hour access to the (regularly updated Grove and Oxford Dictionary.

                  It depends whether you want the pleasure of browsing through a book by your fireside or whether you want a reference tool to answer specific queries as they crop up.

                  [Apparently, the CFM book was the best-selling book on classical music of 2012. Is that a threat to the availability of deeper scholarship or good news?]
                  Wiltshire Library seemed to have Grove available to members online until recently, but i can't seem to find it listed now.
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                  • johnb
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                    • Mar 2007
                    • 2903

                    #10
                    Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                    Wiltshire Library seemed to have Grove available to members online until recently, but i can't seem to find it listed now.
                    If your library participates all you need to do is go to the website and enter your Library Card Barcode.

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                    • mercia
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 8920

                      #11
                      Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                      the slim BBC Music Guides
                      yes, I used to have a few of those, but can only find Strauss Tone Poems (Michael Kennedy) on my shelf now. A recent secondhand acquisition has been Antony Hopkins's The Dent Concertgoer's Companion.

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                      • teamsaint
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 25210

                        #12
                        Originally posted by johnb View Post
                        If your library participates all you need to do is go to the website and enter your Library Card Barcode.

                        http://www.oxfordmusiconline.com/pub...5564BB82CC4847
                        I think they may have dropped it, but i'm not sure.

                        Thanks. I'll pop in and ask.
                        I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                        I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                        • Petrushka
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 12252

                          #13
                          What an excellent idea for a thread or maybe even a(nother) sub-forum.

                          The only reference book I've had on music is A Dictionary of Composers and Their Music which has been well used over the years. It gives dates of compositions but I'd really like one that gives dates of first performances if one exists. My edition ends in 1976.

                          Another invaluable book is Anatomy of the Orchestra by Norman del Mar. I urge anyone on the forum who's never read this to get hold of a copy as it is brilliant.

                          My shelves of music books are mostly composer biographies (Newman 's Wagner, de la Grange's and Mitchell's Mahler, Wilson's Shostakovich and the like) together with the odd few picked up at book fairs ( My Life in Music by Sir Henry Wood for instance). Conductor biographies too, Richard Osborne on Karajan, Michael Kennedy on Boult and Barbirolli, Simon Mundy on Haitink.
                          "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                          • Thropplenoggin
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                            • Mar 2013
                            • 1587

                            #14
                            I'd love a recommendation for a good Mozart biography. I'm currently eyeing 1791: Mozart's Last Year by H.C.Robbins Landon. All of £0.01 on the Mighty Water Snake Which Meandereth Through Ye Vasty Rainforest site.
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                            • Petrushka
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 12252

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Thropplenoggin View Post
                              I'd love a recommendation for a good Mozart biography. I'm currently eyeing 1791: Mozart's Last Year by H.C.Robbins Landon. All of £0.01 on the Mighty Water Snake Which Meandereth Through Ye Vasty Rainforest site.
                              I have that and read the account of Mozart's final hours exactly 200 years later on December 5 1991. Also try Mozart: The Golden Years by the same author.
                              "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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