Works you would love to hear performed live.

**Ferretfancy** · 30-10-14, 21:26

I'd like to hear some Rubbra symphonies, although there are good recordings available the extra clarity in concert performance would help me appreciate them more.

**Simon B** · 30-10-14, 22:12

Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post

I have a vague recollection of having watched/listened to this earlier on this year - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v1B-LoSGN0

As performances of Khachaturian 3 go, that was... one that occurred. Vagueness of recollection is advantageous IMO.

To get as close to the full effect as a recording can hope to manage - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04mb6ck from about 7 minutes in. (The BBC Phil in its 1990s brass-led glory days testing the structural integrity of Leeds Town Hall - chunks of plaster are still missing to this day).

Originally posted by Caliban View Post

I reckon the LPO (esp the unparalleled brass section at the moment) under Jurowski plus THAT organ in old Aram's 3rd would make for an unforgettable experience.

Laurie - having supper with Vladimir any time soon?

Subtle it isn't, but, as I said on this very thread a year ago, just once... Maybe not Jurowski (more likely to do a bunk than do brash). Definitely not the RFH - refurb or not that organ is way too puny for this job and the hall's acoustic turns everything to white noise once the orchestra reaches jet engine dynamics. RAH or nothing. Just once...

**Nick Armstrong** · 30-10-14, 22:40

Originally posted by Simon B View Post

Subtle it isn't, but, as I said on this very thread a year ago, just once... Maybe not Jurowski (more likely to do a bunk than do brash). Definitely not the RFH - refurb or not that organ is way too puny for this job and the hall's acoustic turns everything to white noise once the orchestra reaches jet engine dynamics. RAH or nothing. Just once...

Pardon me, Simon B, I'd failed to find your earlier posting about the piece

Originally posted by Simon B View Post

Khachaturian's 3rd symphony at the RAH (as nowhere else has an organ capable of making the kind of tooth-dislodging racket required to compete with the racket already going on around it). Preferably with a doubling of the 18 trumpets up to 36 to match the scale of the venue. In fact, why not 72?

. Yes, ok, it's a right din (albeit in the pursuit of furious anger to my ears rather than the empty bombast K manages elsewhere) so once might be enough. It'd go down a storm at the end of the right sort of Prom...

Well... it occurs to me that your RAH scenario is possibly playing to stereotypes of this piece - a cracking, virtuosic RFH rendition (à la Tennstedt's Mahler 8 in the RFH) might illuminate aspects, nay qualities, of the piece that might be ... ahem.. submerged in Prince Albert's mighty bathroom?

PS yes the Leeds performance you mention is the one that ignited my interest earlier today...

**Petrushka** · 30-10-14, 22:51

I've never heard the Khatchaturian 3rd though it's notoriety hasn't escaped my consciousness. Comments so far would seem to demand a listen...just once.

**Simon B** · 30-10-14, 23:09

Well... it occurs to me that your RAH scenario is possibly playing to stereotypes of this piece - a cracking, virtuosic RFH rendition (à la Tennstedt's Mahler 8 in the RFH) might illuminate aspects, nay qualities, of the piece that might be ... ahem.. submerged in Prince Albert's mighty bathroom?

Fair points all... I suspect though that there's a danger of turning it into music with that sort of approach, particularly with a dose of VJ-esque severity!

That would be interesting if it were to be performed more than once, but since even once is pushing it, my preference would be a performance that causes you to stagger out of the hall wondering which type of plane it was that just ran you over...

**Simon B** · 30-10-14, 23:32

Originally posted by Petrushka View Post

I've never heard the Khatchaturian 3rd though it's notoriety hasn't escaped my consciousness. Comments so far would seem to demand a listen...just once.

It will quite likely require the right mood to appreciate... It goes without saying that it's all a matter of personal taste, but it's not something I've wanted to sit and listen to a recording of more than once in a blue moon. I did use the BBCPO recording as a test CD when auditioning hi-fi many years ago. Mainly to ascertain the point at which the speaker cones undergo gravitational collapse and turn into a black hole under the strain... Subsequently I preferred to use Hekla by Jon Leifs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KwmwKgvbbo) which makes K3 sound like chamber music, but that's another story.

**Nick Armstrong** · 30-10-14, 23:41

Originally posted by Simon B View Post

Fair points all... I suspect though that there's a danger of turning it into music with that sort of approach, particularly with a dose of VJ-esque severity!

That would be interesting if it were to be performed more than once, but since even once is pushing it, my preference would be a performance that causes you to stagger out of the hall wondering which type of plane it was that just ran you over...

**Barbirollians** · 31-10-14, 00:23

Benjamin's Romantic Fantasy for Violin and Viola

**Beef Oven!** · 31-10-14, 05:18

Would love to get to see this live........

**Beef Oven!** · 31-10-14, 05:36

Originally posted by Ferretfancy View Post

I'd like to hear some Rubbra symphonies.............the extra clarity in concert performance would help me appreciate them more.

Spot-on, great observation.

**P. G. Tipps** · 31-10-14, 07:23

A joint concert of anything by Richard Barrett and Alistair Hinton might be appropriate, I think ...

I'd also love to hear Hans Rott's Symphony in E Major.

A marvellous work!

**kea** · 31-10-14, 11:51

Some of Edgard Varèse's early works... or Sibelius's 8th Symphony... or Brahms's first 20 string quartets... or the third and fourth movements of Schubert's Unfinished Symphony...

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**ahinton** · 31-10-14, 12:32

Originally posted by kea View Post

Some of Edgard Varèse's early works... or Sibelius's 8th Symphony... or Brahms's first 20 string quartets... or the third and fourth movements of Schubert's Unfinished Symphony...

I too would be fascinated to hear early Varèse; that a single song is all that appears to survive from his days in France is about as tantalising as it gets and the reports of disturbances at the 1909 première of his Bourgogne - which sound not unlike those at the première of Le Sacre four years later and at least two up with which Schönberg had had to put a year or three earlier - are more than enough to wish that the composer had not destroyed its score so very many years later (I do wonder whether he also destroyed the parts and whether, if not, they're still arond somewhere, although that seems highly doubtful). It's interesting that both Busoni and Strauss were encouraging of him at that time. The difference between the Varèse and the other three examples that you mention is, however, that at least the former did once exist whereas the Sibelius probably didn't (for all the contemporary progress reports to the contrary) and it's pretty certain that the other two were not written by their composers...

**Nick Armstrong** · 31-10-14, 12:43

Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post

A joint concert of anything by Richard Barrett and Alistair Hinton might be appropriate, I think ...

I'll arrange the coach hire for a Forum outing to that one! Let's have Bbm's wind arrangement of Mahler 6/i as the encore!!

**ahinton** · 31-10-14, 12:55

Originally posted by Caliban View Post

I'll arrange the coach hire for a Forum outing to that one! Let's have Bbm's wind arrangement of Mahler 6/i as the encore!!

That's a very kind thought! Whether Bbm's Mahler arrangement would fit comfortably as an encore would presumably depend upon which of Richard's works and which of mine were to be included in the programme and no suggestions have been made for that yet.