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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30452

    "Today" misleading? Surely not!



    I followed up a story that was on yesterday's Today programme (no, I don't listen - someone told me!).

    The Telegraph had a story that Mozart was favoured by 10% of local authorities for keeping callers on hold. But not, the presenter went on, in Lincolnshire, where the county council reported that the number of people hanging up halved when they replaced classical music with Easy Listening.

    "That's why Radio 2 has more listeners than Radio 3, I expect," chuckled Evan.

    But hang on a tick (no pun intended) ... go to the Telegraph story. It's certainly about Mozart, king of the ringtones &c. But there's nothing in that story about Lincolnshire CC, or replacing classical with easy listening. So feed in the relevant search terms and what do you find? A story in The Independent. It is roughly the same story but:

    "The number of people who hang up while on hold has more than halved since Lincolnshire became one of a handful to have ditched classical "hold" music, jingles and recorded messages in favour of easy-listening chart songs, which require royalty payments to the Performing Rights Society (PRS).

    [...]

    "Mozart has also been heralded as the king of hold music for councils. A survey of around 120 councils showed more authorities selected the Austrian composer’s work over any other musician’s to keep taxpayers hanging on the telephone. "

    So it isn't actually classical v. Easy Listening. It was jingles and recorded messages too, though it does suggest Easy Listening is popular (no surprise there then) rather than - as the Today item suggested - that classical music was unpopular. As a btw query re the Indy story - do classical recordings not incur Performing Rights fees? What about the performers?
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
  • Flosshilde
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 7988

    #2
    I'm rather puzzled by "keep taxpayers hanging on the telephone". is it only 'tax-payers' who telephone local councils? Which particular tax?

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30452

      #3
      Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
      I'm rather puzzled by "keep taxpayers hanging on the telephone". is it only 'tax-payers' who telephone local councils? Which particular tax?
      Can quite believe that if they've been kept 'on hold' for an hour the first time they will only last half an hour the next time - whatever music, jingles or recorded messages are played at them.

      What I didn't like was that the Today presenter made it sound like "People don't like classical music and they don't like Radio 3 - stuffy old station." <snigger>. Just the kind of thing RW is particularly sensitive about (like the tired, old 'Dead Ringers' joke). It's the kind of thing that throws him into a total panic and he feels he's got to do Even More to go down-market. Do I gather that 'Rob's rucksack' has resurfaced as 'Rob's shed'?
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • amateur51

        #4
        Originally posted by french frank View Post
        Do I gather that 'Rob's rucksack' has resurfaced as 'Rob's shed'?
        From a while back, french frank ...

        Rob Cowan, presenter of BBC Radio 3's Breakfast http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006tmr6 explains his Cowan Chaos Theory.

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        • Bryn
          Banned
          • Mar 2007
          • 24688

          #5
          I think it quite likely that Jim and Evan with exchange words re. this matter. I can't imagine Mr. Naughtie being too happy about it.

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          • french frank
            Administrator/Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 30452

            #6
            Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
            From a while back, french frank ...

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSXX3yWcnQg
            I meant as the Essential Classics source from whence the CDs were produced with a flourish to be played on the programme :-/

            Bryn, I think it was Justin Webb who was the other presenter yesterday (I would have recognised JN )

            The curious comment that I didn't understand was when Evan Thing said that that was why R2 had a bigger audience than R3 (i.e. I presume, because R3 was classical and R2 easy listening?) and the ither een said "I don't think they see it as easy listening any more, Evan." So did that mean that R2 was no longer 'easy listening' but adult pop? All the light music having been axed, so solid musical fare? Or what?

            Anyway, I hadn't listened to Today for years and thought it a bit shallow. If that's Radio 4's 'flagship' news programme, what does the BBC do now that isn't third rate?
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • Bryn
              Banned
              • Mar 2007
              • 24688

              #7
              Originally posted by french frank View Post
              ... Bryn, I think it was Justin Webb who was the other presenter yesterday (I would have recognised JN )
              Indeed, but I doubt it will have passed unnoticed by Jim Naughtie, and he is not likely to have been happy with the comment.

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              • teamsaint
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 25225

                #8
                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                I meant as the Essential Classics source from whence the CDs were produced with a flourish to be played on the programme :-/

                Bryn, I think it was Justin Webb who was the other presenter yesterday (I would have recognised JN )

                The curious comment that I didn't understand was when Evan Thing said that that was why R2 had a bigger audience than R3 (i.e. I presume, because R3 was classical and R2 easy listening?) and the ither een said "I don't think they see it as easy listening any more, Evan." So did that mean that R2 was no longer 'easy listening' but adult pop? All the light music having been axed, so solid musical fare? Or what?

                Anyway, I hadn't listened to Today for years and thought it a bit shallow. If that's Radio 4's 'flagship' news programme, what does the BBC do now that isn't third rate?



                I have a shiny new DAB radio in my car now.
                Ih ave taken the opportunity to catch up with the guys over on 6 music.
                In general, I would say that it is solidly second rate. at times it threatens to be a little better, but seems to relapse quickly.

                Just IMHO, after a day and a bit listening.
                I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                • aka Calum Da Jazbo
                  Late member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 9173

                  #9
                  have to agree there teamsaint R6 is pretty solidly second rate ....
                  According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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                  • teamsaint
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 25225

                    #10
                    Originally posted by aka Calum Da Jazbo View Post
                    have to agree there teamsaint R6 is pretty solidly second rate ....
                    I am hoping to find some first rate bits.......hoping...its the hope that does you in.....
                    I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                    I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                    • salymap
                      Late member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 5969

                      #11
                      Tom Robinson used to be good - if you like thatsort of thing. At least he's a good presenter IMVHO

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                      • teamsaint
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 25225

                        #12
                        Originally posted by salymap View Post
                        Tom Robinson used to be good - if you like thatsort of thing. At least he's a good presenter IMVHO
                        Yup, he is a good presenter, and made a few good records.

                        Live, reduced to doing the odd cameo for Jools Holland.
                        I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                        I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                        • John Wright
                          Full Member
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 705

                          #13
                          Originally posted by french frank View Post


                          As a btw query re the Indy story - do classical recordings not incur Performing Rights fees? What about the performers?
                          Indeed, but try identifying the source/performers on a ringtone-quality Musical Joke K. 522.
                          - - -

                          John W

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                          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                            Gone fishin'
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 30163

                            #14
                            Originally posted by salymap View Post
                            Tom Robinson used to be good - if you like thatsort of thing. At least he's a good presenter IMVHO
                            Originally posted by teamsaint
                            Yup, he is a good presenter, and made a few good records.
                            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                            • eighthobstruction
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 6447

                              #15
                              I think they should be encouraged to play full works not just certain movements....so as to be able differentiate with Breakfast on the radio in the same room....
                              bong ching

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