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  • Sir Velo
    Full Member
    • Oct 2012
    • 3227

    #76
    Forumites might be interested in this programme note by G McBurney (reproduced below):

    Repertoire Note
    In some ways, the Fifteenth is the most neo-classical of all Shostakovich’s symphonies. It is, at least in certain moments, his tribute to the world of Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven. It is scored for a modest-sized orchestra and consists of four movements which follow, more precisely and yet more whimsically than any other of his symphonies, the ancient outlines: a gossamer and comical first movement, playing in an almost childlike way with the signposts of sonata form; a sombre slow movement; a dancing and elusive scherzo; and, after a mysterious introduction, a last movement miraculous in its fluidity and its unearthly sense of bright light playing on a surface beneath which lurk great depths of darkness.

    The Fifteenth was undoubtedly intended as a summing-up, a survey by a sick and slowly dying man of a lifetime of musical experience. It also shows his vast knowledge of the medium and the history of the form. And it is packed with references to most of his own earlier symphonies, almost as though at this critical point he were looking back at himself, both as hero (the brilliant and fearless youngster who gave birth to the astonishing First Symphony, the heroic master of the Fourth and Fifth) and as anti-hero (the many disappointments, terrors and frustrations).

    More surprisingly it contains, in a manner blatant and unnervingly provocative, a bizarre sequence of the most surprising quotations found anywhere in his output. In the first movement of the Fifteenth, without warning, the brass section of the orchestra lurches sideways into an absurd firemen’s-band version of Rossini’s ‘William Tell’ Overture. By contrast, the last movement opens with two extremely loaded quotations from an entirely unexpected source: Wagner. Nothing in Shostakovich’s earlier music had prepared listeners for this sudden interest in the Master of Bayreuth. The first reference is to the moment in ‘Die Walküre’ when Brünnhilde appears to the fleeing Siegmund. She has been sent to tell the unhappy warrior that he must die. This haunting chain of suspensions interrupted by menacing beatings of the kettle-drum is then folded by Shostakovich into a quite different Wagnerian quotation, the famous opening notes of ‘Tristan und Isolde’. And then, more bizarrely still, the ‘Tristan’ quotation itself blossoms into a garbled version of a beautiful song by Glinka, setting words by one of the greatest poets of early Russian romanticism, Yevgeny Baratynsky:
    Do not tempt me needlessly
    By returning to your former tenderness.
    To a disillusioned man
    All the old seductions are alien.

    It is clear that Shostakovich intends every move he makes in this symphony to be loaded with specific significance.

    Note by Gerard McBurney

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    • amateur51

      #77
      Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
      Forumites might be interested in this programme note by G McBurney (reproduced below):

      Repertoire Note
      In some ways, the Fifteenth is the most neo-classical of all Shostakovich’s symphonies. It is, at least in certain moments, his tribute to the world of Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven. It is scored for a modest-sized orchestra and consists of four movements which follow, more precisely and yet more whimsically than any other of his symphonies, the ancient outlines: a gossamer and comical first movement, playing in an almost childlike way with the signposts of sonata form; a sombre slow movement; a dancing and elusive scherzo; and, after a mysterious introduction, a last movement miraculous in its fluidity and its unearthly sense of bright light playing on a surface beneath which lurk great depths of darkness.

      The Fifteenth was undoubtedly intended as a summing-up, a survey by a sick and slowly dying man of a lifetime of musical experience. It also shows his vast knowledge of the medium and the history of the form. And it is packed with references to most of his own earlier symphonies, almost as though at this critical point he were looking back at himself, both as hero (the brilliant and fearless youngster who gave birth to the astonishing First Symphony, the heroic master of the Fourth and Fifth) and as anti-hero (the many disappointments, terrors and frustrations).

      More surprisingly it contains, in a manner blatant and unnervingly provocative, a bizarre sequence of the most surprising quotations found anywhere in his output. In the first movement of the Fifteenth, without warning, the brass section of the orchestra lurches sideways into an absurd firemen’s-band version of Rossini’s ‘William Tell’ Overture. By contrast, the last movement opens with two extremely loaded quotations from an entirely unexpected source: Wagner. Nothing in Shostakovich’s earlier music had prepared listeners for this sudden interest in the Master of Bayreuth. The first reference is to the moment in ‘Die Walküre’ when Brünnhilde appears to the fleeing Siegmund. She has been sent to tell the unhappy warrior that he must die. This haunting chain of suspensions interrupted by menacing beatings of the kettle-drum is then folded by Shostakovich into a quite different Wagnerian quotation, the famous opening notes of ‘Tristan und Isolde’. And then, more bizarrely still, the ‘Tristan’ quotation itself blossoms into a garbled version of a beautiful song by Glinka, setting words by one of the greatest poets of early Russian romanticism, Yevgeny Baratynsky:
      Do not tempt me needlessly
      By returning to your former tenderness.
      To a disillusioned man
      All the old seductions are alien.

      It is clear that Shostakovich intends every move he makes in this symphony to be loaded with specific significance.

      Note by Gerard McBurney
      Many thanks, Sir Velo

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      • Petrushka
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 12247

        #78
        Many thanks for the McBurney note, Sir Velo. I recall much of this from a Radio 3 interval talk a while ago. His very last sentence should be noted. We need the key to unlocking the significance of the symphony but doubtful if we ever will after so much time has passed.
        "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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        • Nick Armstrong
          Host
          • Nov 2010
          • 26533

          #79
          Yes, further food for thought and thanks especially for posting that, Sir Velo...

          Still no clues though as to the significance of the Chekov "Black Monk". It's starting to puzzle me!

          Wonder if the programme notes for the forthcoming Haitink performance will assist... (yes, ammy, I'm looking at you! )
          "...the isle is full of noises,
          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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          • Nick Armstrong
            Host
            • Nov 2010
            • 26533

            #80
            Thanks to ammy and the other DSCH thread, I found this intriguing: Pletnev and the RNO live in Moscow in No 15

            October 3, 2006. Moscow, Russian National orchestra, conductor Mikhail Pletnev. Dmitri Shostakovich (1906-75), Symphony No15 in A major (Opus 141). 1st and 2...


            (Rafael Nadal seems to make a bit of a dog's dinner of the opening flute solo though )
            "...the isle is full of noises,
            Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
            Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
            Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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            • amateur51

              #81
              Originally posted by Caliban View Post
              Thanks to ammy and the other DSCH thread, I found this intriguing: Pletnev and the RNO live in Moscow in No 15

              October 3, 2006. Moscow, Russian National orchestra, conductor Mikhail Pletnev. Dmitri Shostakovich (1906-75), Symphony No15 in A major (Opus 141). 1st and 2...


              (Rafael Nadal seems to make a bit of a dog's dinner of the opening flute solo though )
              He looks a bit out of puff by the end of that passage, I thought

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              • amateur51

                #82
                Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                Yes, further food for thought and thanks especially for posting that, Sir Velo...

                Still no clues though as to the significance of the Chekov "Black Monk". It's starting to puzzle me!

                Wonder if the programme notes for the forthcoming Haitink performance will assist... (yes, ammy, I'm looking at you! )
                Not usually one for buying the programme but I'll try to remember, Caliban

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                • Nick Armstrong
                  Host
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 26533

                  #83
                  Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                  Not usually one for buying the programme but I'll try to remember, Caliban
                  Scour the rows for some discarded ones as you make your way out after, perhaps?

                  (Like you, I tend to avoid buying them... Been known to pick up one after!)
                  "...the isle is full of noises,
                  Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                  Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                  Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                  • amateur51

                    #84
                    Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                    Scour the rows for some discarded ones as you make your way out after, perhaps?

                    (Like you, I tend to avoid buying them... Been known to pick up one after!)
                    Isn't that what they call a calculated risk, Cali?

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                    • Nick Armstrong
                      Host
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 26533

                      #85
                      Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                      Isn't that what they call a calculated risk, Cali?
                      Are we still talking about programmes?
                      "...the isle is full of noises,
                      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                      • amateur51

                        #86
                        Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                        Are we still talking about programmes?
                        I was

                        P'raps I could ask the people in my row for a shufty before the lights go down, Bernie takes his ProPlus and we're OFF!

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                        • Nick Armstrong
                          Host
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 26533

                          #87
                          Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                          I was

                          P'raps I could ask the people in my row for a shufty before the lights go down, Bernie takes his ProPlus and we're OFF!
                          Sounds like a plan, amm !
                          "...the isle is full of noises,
                          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                          • ahinton
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 16122

                            #88
                            According to Story of a Friendship: The Letters of Dmitry Shostakovich to Isaak Glikman (Shostakovich, Dmitri and Glikman, Isaak; Cornell University Press, 2001, p.315), the composer is said to have commented in conversation with Glikman "I don't myself quite know why the quotations are there, but I could not, could not, not include them" (Glikman it was, incidentally, who sat next to DDS at the première of the Fourth Symphony in 1961 and to whom he apparently exclaimed that he felt that this was his best symphony to date).

                            Anyway, I've written off to a few people who might know if anyone's ever published or even just compiled a list of these quotations and I'll see up with what I might come in due course.
                            Last edited by ahinton; 28-09-13, 16:23.

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                            • Petrushka
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 12247

                              #89
                              Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                              According to Story of a Friendship: The Letters of Dmitry Shostakovich to Isaak Glikman (Shostakovich, Dmitri and Glikman, Isaak; Cornell University Press, 2001, p.315), the composer is said to have commented in conversation with Glikman "I don't myself quite know why the quotations are there, but I could not, could not, not include them" (Glikman it was, incidentally, who sat next to DDS at the première of the Fourth Symphony in 1961 and to whom he apparently exclaimed that he felt that this was his best symphony to date).

                              Anyway, I've written off to a few people who might know if anyone's ever published or even just compiled a list of these quotations and I'll see up with what I might come in due course.
                              That sounds very typical of Shostakovich-speak even to a friend like Glikman. Extraordinary, though, if the Rossini and Wagner quotes don't mean anything at all and just ended up on the music paper! This is rather reminiscent of Richard Strauss disingenuously declaring that the quote from the Eroica funeral march just happened to appear in Metamorphosen as if it was a slip of the pen.
                              "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                              • ahinton
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 16122

                                #90
                                Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                                That sounds very typical of Shostakovich-speak even to a friend like Glikman. Extraordinary, though, if the Rossini and Wagner quotes don't mean anything at all and just ended up on the music paper! This is rather reminiscent of Richard Strauss disingenuously declaring that the quote from the Eroica funeral march just happened to appear in Metamorphosen as if it was a slip of the pen.
                                I take your point entirely but, as someone who has on occasion quoted others' music (not always even counsciously), I am prepared to take on board a sense not so much of "accidental" quotation but of "well, that's how the music went at that point" (as a record producer once commented); yes, DDS's comment does indeed sound disingenuous (as I wondered myself even as I relayed it here), but there are times when I also wonder if a little allowance ought to be possible for a composer doing something the reason for which might not immediately have been apparent even to him/her. As far as the Rossini and Wagner quotes are concerned, these were quite obviously done consciously and wilfully but that does not necessarily of itself mean that DDS knew precisely why he felt impelled to do it when he did so while working on the symphony.

                                Richard Barrett puts it all better than most of us, I think - and his comments make a most welcome and thought-provoking read.

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