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  • Nick Armstrong
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    • Nov 2010
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    Shostakovich 15

    It's been talked about a lot in various places in the Forum, and is a piece close to my heart - the first piece of orchestral music I discovered and 'got into' under my own steam, in my teens.

    The ubiquitous Tom Service offers an introduction to the work in the Guardian, with a couple of youtube performances (the first movement by Maxim S and the Moscow Radio Orchestra, and a complete performance by Gergiev and the Mariinsky Orchestra):

    Shostakovich's final symphony asks profound and disquieting questions and offers only ambiguities in return, writes Tom Service


    The thought that made me start is the last one:

    "David Lynch made Blue Velvet heavily under the influence of this symphony."


    I had no idea... but it seems so



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Ve...k)#cite_note-2
    Last edited by Nick Armstrong; 24-09-13, 23:06. Reason: Thai pos
    "...the isle is full of noises,
    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

  • Beef Oven!
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    • Sep 2013
    • 18147

    #2
    Originally posted by Caliban View Post
    It's been talked about a lot in various places in the Forum, and is a piece close to my heart - the first piece of orchestral music I discovered and 'got into' under my own steam, in my teens.

    The ubiquitous Tom Service offers an introduction to the work in the Guardian, with a couple of youtube performances (the first movement by Maxim S and teh Moscow Radio Orchestra, and a complete performance by Gergiev and the Mariinsky Orchestra):

    Shostakovich's final symphony asks profound and disquieting questions and offers only ambiguities in return, writes Tom Service


    The thought that made me start is the last one:

    "David Lynch made Blue Velvet heavily under the influence of this symphony."


    I had no idea... but it seems so


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Ve...k)#cite_note-2
    Funny enough, I played this work this morning. Maxim Shostakovich, LSO, Collins. A broad reading this one, I would say, that allows more access to the detail of the music.

    One of the first DSCH symphonies I got into years ago, along with 5 & 10, then I discovered #4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • ahinton
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      • Nov 2010
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      #3
      Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
      Funny enough, I played this work this morning. Maxim Shostakovich, LSO, Collins. A broad reading this one, I would say, that allows more access to the detail of the music.

      One of the first DSCH symphonies I got into years ago, along with 5 & 10, then I discovered #4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      Exclamation marks fully understood, for this is surely one of Shostakovich's very finest achievements.

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      • Beef Oven!
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        • Sep 2013
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        #4
        Originally posted by ahinton View Post
        Exclamation marks fully understood, for this is surely one of Shostakovich's very finest achievements.
        See if Pee agrees, then we really know we've entered the Twilight Zone!

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        • Nick Armstrong
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          • Nov 2010
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          #5
          I hope ammy and 2Gongs will lend their agreement and I'll feel like Kofi Annan
          "...the isle is full of noises,
          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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          • Beef Oven!
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            • Sep 2013
            • 18147

            #6
            Originally posted by Caliban View Post
            I hope ammy and 2Gongs will lend their agreement and I'll feel like Kofi Annan

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            • ahinton
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              • Nov 2010
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              #7
              Originally posted by Caliban View Post
              I hope ammy and 2Gongs will lend their agreement and I'll feel like Kofi Annan
              Ah, the power of music and what it can overcome!

              Music is..a way to enlightenment to the spirit...
              Only thus..can all its beauty enter into the soul,
              giving glimpses of Nirvana...

              Let us take refuge in Nirvana and leave it at that.


              (extracted from Kaikhosru Shapurji Sorabji, Around Music, chapters 28 and 35: Unicorn Press, London, 1932)


              And as I wake, sweet music breathe,
              Above, about or underneath,
              Sent by some spirit to mortals good,
              Or th'unseen genius of the wood.

              (from Il Penseroso, John Milton)

              Anyway, never mind that Twilight Zone, other than to the extent that anyone might consider that the Fifteenth Symphony somehow belongs to that of Shostakovich's creative career...

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              • Beef Oven!
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                • Sep 2013
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                #8
                Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                Ah, the power of music and what it can overcome!

                Music is..a way to enlightenment to the spirit...
                Only thus..can all its beauty enter into the soul,
                giving glimpses of Nirvana...

                Let us take refuge in Nirvana and leave it at that.


                (extracted from Kaikhosru Shapurji Sorabji, Around Music, chapters 28 and 35: Unicorn Press, London, 1932)

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                • ahinton
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                  • Nov 2010
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                  Er - that's not by Shostakovich...

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                  • Nick Armstrong
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 26533

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                    Funny enough, I played this work this morning. Maxim Shostakovich, LSO, Collins
                    And again with your fishy lunch, we read?

                    Always good for a whistle:





                    "...the isle is full of noises,
                    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                    • Beef Oven!
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                      • Sep 2013
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                      And again with your fishy lunch, we read?

                      Always good for a whistle:





                      And.....

                      .............. My definition of an intellectual is someone who can whistle the William Tell Overture without thinking of the Lone Ranger! (Billy Connolly?)

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                      • Nick Armstrong
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 26533

                        #12
                        Well I do always think of Shostakovich 15 when I hear the "William Tell" theme - much as I always think of Shostakovich 15, not the Ring, when I hear those Siegfried death drum taps and chords (start of the last movement).

                        As far as the start of the first movement goes, talk about simplicity... 17 notes in all... less is more (and another very tune, high on the first flute ) -

                        "...the isle is full of noises,
                        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                        • amateur51

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                          I hope ammy and 2Gongs will lend their agreement and I'll feel like Kofi Annan
                          That would be the Kofi Annan who did such a fine job in sorting Syria out, would it?

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                          • Nick Armstrong
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                            • Nov 2010
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                            That would be the Kofi Annan who did such a fine job in sorting Syria out, would it?
                            There you go.... I do feel like Kofi Annan
                            "...the isle is full of noises,
                            Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                            Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                            Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                            • johnb
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                              • Mar 2007
                              • 2903

                              #15
                              I've always thought of the 15th as very much a valedictory piece and rather atypical. (Parallels with Prokofiev's 7th?) Gone, or greatly diluted, is that excoriating sardonic passion that is so characteristic of most of the symphonies.

                              The sparse scoring mentioned in an earlier post might, at least in part, be due to the difficulty and pain that DDS suffered towards the end of his life when writing the music down.

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