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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30256

    #76
    Originally posted by french frank View Post
    Mysteriously, according to the original press release, Radio 2 is playing no part in this other than, as we learn, to provide Simon Mayo as one of the shortlisters.
    That was true, though it now appears that Mark Kermode, film critic will present a 4-part series "The Soundtrack of my Life" on Radio 2. This doesn't seem to have been announced either in the press release or the press pack. Mark Kermode will also be making regular appearances on Radio 3.

    Sound of Cinema on BBC Radio 3

    Roger Wright, Controller, BBC Radio 3 & Director, BBC Proms, said: “As part of Sound of Cinema, I am delighted that Radio 3 will broadcast a special edition of In Tune with live music and guests from the film industry. It is a great thrill to be working with our colleagues across the BBC to bring together comprehensive programming for our audiences.”

    Season Programme Information

    In Tune will be live from the BFI in the season’s opening week for a gothic inspired programme on Friday 13 September looking at how the spookiest scores in cinema have worked, and The Tippett Quartet will be performing music by the master of unsettling strings, Hitchcock’s favourite composer Bernard Herrmann. This programme will be presented by Suzy Klein.

    For each of the three weeks of the season Essential Classics will feature a film-related guest, including the highly decorated and double Academy Award nominated film composer Debbie Wiseman. The strand will also feature Neil Brand, the British author, composer, silent film accompanist and presenter of the BBC Four series, The Sound of Cinema, who will explore the way music works in film to capture a moment. His Guide to Film Music (WT) every day at 11am, will be made available to download. Also, in each programme, film music lovers will be able to test their knowledge in the daily brainteaser.

    Throughout the season, Donald Macleod will present Composer of the Week on the subjects of the composer in Hollywood, British film composers and a week of programmes devoted especially to the hugely successful film composer, John Williams.

    Film critic Mark Kermode, will make a guest appearance as presenter of Live In Concert throughout the week of 15 September as he presents 4 film music concerts from the BBC orchestras, including the BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra on 15th September, the BBC Concert Orchestra on the 16th September, the BBC Philharmonic Orchestra on the 17th September and the BBC National Orchestra
    of Wales on the 18th September.

    In a series of Twenty Minutes interval features across the season, Tom Service will talk to some of the most successful film composers of the day about their collaborations with iconic directors. Highlights will include director Ken Loach and composer George Fenton discussing their 20 year partnership, composer Carter Burwell reflecting on working with the Coen Brothers and composer James Horner will look back on his academy award winning collaborations with the director, James Cameron.

    From 16 September–20 September, Simon Heffer discusses five films filmed in the decade after the war in The Essay: Heffer On British Film which show British cinema dealing with gritty social issues and dramatic high standards. Films include It Always Rains on Sunday (1947), The Browning Version (1951), Mandy (1953) and Yield to the Night (1956). Five writers will explain their passion for the ground-breaking film director and producer duo Michael Powell and Emeric Pressburger in The Essay: Praising Powell and Pressburger.

    From 23 September-27 September The Essay will hear from Deborah Bull on the Red Shoes, film historian Ian Christie on The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp, Rev Richard Coles on A Matter of Life and Death, novelist A L Kennedy on I Know Where I'm Going and film critic Peter Bradshaw on Black Narcissus.

    Radio 3 presenter Matthew Sweet hosts a week of reflections on film music itself with essays from American cultural critic Camille Paglia on the film composers she most admires, the silent film composer Neil Brand and two essays from Matthew himself on the world of the film studios where musicians played on set to create the right mood for the actors and an exploration of what happens in the cinema when the music and talking stop, from the enigmatic final shots of Antonioni’s The Passenger to Michael Haneke’s Caché.

    Matthew Sweet presents a special edition of Night Waves broadcasting a discussion from the BFI about the 1960s gothic horror, The
    Innocents, on Thursday 19 September. Other guests across the season include directors Alan Parker, Beeban Kidron, Kevin Macdonald and Mike Figgis; actors Tim Piggott-Smith and Olivia Williams; composers Howard Blake, Debbie Wiseman and Alex Heffes, plus
    Herrmann’s widow Norma Herrmann.

    On Saturdays in Hear and Now Film editor and sound designer Walter Much talks to Robert Worby about the art of film editing and the influence of musique concrete on his work in such films as THX 1138 and The Conversation. And from last year’s Hear and Now
    Fifty Series - on key works from the late 20th Century musician and writer David Toop celebrates Toru Takemitsu’s soundtrack for
    Masaki Kobayashi’s 1964 horror film Kwaidan, based on Lafcadio Hearn’s retelling of Japanese ghost stories, with commentary from film scholar Peter Grilli.

    On Saturday 21 September, Between the Ears examines how in 1956, cinema had its first full electronic film score and movies would never sound the same again as the creature from the Id found its voice in Forbidden Planet. Presenter Ken Hollings and the Radiophonic Workshop breathe new life in the creature & celebrate the lasting mystery of a revolutionary score. This is both a celebration and an electronic séance.

    World Routes presenter Lopa Kothari meets A R Rahman, who brought about a revolution in Indian cinema in the 1990s with music that brought in fresh elements from Indian traditional and sacred music, plus western pop and classical. Rahman also insisted on a state of the art approach to sound quality, and two decades on, the technical standards in Indian films and in urban Indian cinemas are the equal of anywhere in the world. Emerging from the Tamil film industry, Rahman moved to Bollywood and then popularised Indian film music to a global audience, not least with his song ‘Jai Ho’ from ‘Slumdog Millionaire’. Rahman is still based in the Tamil city of Chennai, and Lopa Kothari visits his studio, and also Rahman’s own music conservatory, where he is seeking to train a new generation of orchestral and traditional Indian musicians to perform for Indian films in the future. This programme is planned for broadcast on 22 September.

    Other BBC Radio 3 content across the season includes throughout the season,

    Radio 3’s Breakfast Show will run an A-Z of film music from listener suggestions and requests
    Late Junction will feature Late Junction musical collaborations based on BFI short films
    The Radio 3 overnight programme Through The Night will feature on 14th September a concert of the Danish National SO which includes Prokofiev - Alexander Nevsky Cantata


    Or, more briefly, everything you always wanted to know about film music but weren't quite interested enough to ask. Felicitations to all those who devoted so much of their time to making this a Radio 3 special event.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • DracoM
      Host
      • Mar 2007
      • 12965

      #77
      Just one question: why?

      Does the genre justify this amount of total, total overkill? This is a kind of systematic carpet bombing.

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      • Stillhomewardbound
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 1109

        #78
        Originally posted by DracoM View Post
        Just one question: why?

        Does the genre justify this amount of total, total overkill? This is a kind of systematic carpet bombing.

        Tweet that on Radio 3 and they'll take it as a cue to run the Apocalypse Now/Wager sequence again. That is the nature of segue that are entirely gifted at Radio 3 these days.

        And I'm sure it was my imagination but I heeard a meantion earlier of JEAN MICHEL Jarre's 'Lawrence of Arabia'. Hmm.
        Last edited by Stillhomewardbound; 15-09-13, 22:47.

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        • cheesehoven
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 44

          #79
          Originally posted by Stillhomewardbound View Post
          Well, we've probably complained enough so we ought to attempt to compile our own list, or lists, the problem being with the official list it is neither one thing or the other.

          I'd envisage something like this:

          Best Original Soundtrack

          Jaws (John Williams), The Mission (Ennio Moricone), A Touch of Evil (Henry Mancini), The Russia House (Jerry Goldsmith), Bullitt (Lalo Schifrin), Get Carter (Roy Budd), Hobson's Choice (Malcolm Arnold), The Ipcress File (John Barry),
          Kagemusha (Shin’ichirō Ikebe)

          Best Theme in a Movie

          Miss Marple Theme (Ron Goodwin), Laura (David Raksin), Moon River (Henry Mancini), The Piano (Michael Kamen), Love theme, The Godfather (Nino Roto/Carla Savini), The High and the Mighty (Dmitri Tiomkin), Lara's Theme, Dr.Zhivago (Maurice Jarre), Main Theme, Gone With the Wind (Max Steiner) ..., Theme, Schindler's List (John Williams), Magnificent Seven (Elmer Bernstein)

          Best Use of Adapted Music in a Film:

          Brief Encounter (Rachmaninov Vocalise), 2001 (Strauss, Strauss II, Lygetti), Amadeus (Dies Irae, etc.), The Sting (Joplin), The Quiet Man (Victor Young), Death in Venice (Mahler), Kramer v. Kramer (Vivaldi)


          Those are just some suggestions but at least it recognises how and why film's use music. The Radio 3 list says nothing at all on this.
          This is a much more credible and intelligent list than the embarrassing official one. Some ideas
          Best Original soundtrack
          Things to come (Bliss), Conan The Barbarian (Poledoris), For a few dollars more (Morricone) Alexander Nevsky (Prokofiev) Henry V (Walton)
          Best Theme
          How the West was Won (Newman) Exodus (Gold) Basic Instinct (Goldsmith)
          Last edited by cheesehoven; 15-09-13, 23:32.

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          • Stillhomewardbound
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 1109

            #80
            ... how in 1956, cinema had its first full electronic film score and movies would never sound the same again ...
            .

            I'm reminded of a production meeting on the soap Eastenders where at one point the Producer announced a complete and immediate ban on what had become a staple scene-intro, ie.

            WOT'S GOING ON!

            Well, can someone do the same with " after [INSERT AS REQUIRED], life would never be the same again". Every single BBC documentary adopts this parenthesis.


            It's the laziest, poorest 'Top Gear' hyperbole and no script writer seems to twig that TG uses it in irony.

            " ... baking will never be the same again"

            " ... travelling to work on the 8:21 would never etc."

            " ... stamp collecting would never etc."

            And while we're at it:

            "who brought about a revolution in Indian cinema in the 1990s"

            Did he really? I mean, was there an actual riot, or riots at some point. As it is meant here, I doubt it.

            A radical change, perhaps, unprecedented, shocking evening, but not revolutionary.

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            • MrGongGong
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 18357

              #81
              The Piano (Michael Kamen)
              I think you mean Nyman

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              • mercia
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 8920

                #82
                how long has this cinema season been going ? 2/3 days ? I've already heard the music to Battle of Britain, Schindler's List and Ascenseur pour l'échafaud played twice each - so I guess my question is, is there enough good film music to fill three weeks without repetition ?

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                • french frank
                  Administrator/Moderator
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 30256

                  #83
                  Originally posted by mercia View Post
                  so I guess my question is, is there enough good film music to fill three weeks without repetition ?
                  Probably not, but there may be plenty of not very good film music. I've just had an email from someone saying 'Radio 3 seems to be obsessed with film music this morning' - I had to break the news that it was going on for three weeks.

                  But I am utterly serious in saying I believe this event is not for Radio 3 listeners - it's to draw attention to Radio 3 in the great wide world in the hope a few thousands might tune in - and stay when the season is over.
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • Nick Armstrong
                    Host
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 26524

                    #84
                    Originally posted by mercia View Post
                    my question is, is there enough good film music to fill three weeks without repetition ?
                    No... plus so often film music is inherently repetitive - for very good reason. That Vertigo Suite for instance that was just on - 2 or 3 very good ideas, tremendous in context but sounding hollow and lacking variety and development to my ears when forced to stand alone and fill 10 or 15 minutes
                    Last edited by Nick Armstrong; 16-09-13, 10:49.
                    "...the isle is full of noises,
                    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                    • aeolium
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 3992

                      #85
                      The mistake, as with the composerthons, is with the treatment: flooding the schedules with coverage rather than discrete programmes. R3 - and the BBC generally - has lost the ability to do anything in an understated or focussed way.

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                      • mercia
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 8920

                        #86
                        Wednesday evening's concert will include Vertigo and so will Saturday Classics - this is becoming a sad obsession for me

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                        • Pabmusic
                          Full Member
                          • May 2011
                          • 5537

                          #87
                          Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                          No... plus so often film music is inherently repetitive - for very good reason. That Vertigo Suite for instance that was just on - 2 or 3 very good ideas, tremendous in context but sounding hollow and lacking variety and development to my ears when forced to stand alone and fill 10 or 15 minutes
                          Film music by its very nature is not intended to sustain lengthy structures. To adapt it for concert use needs serious work (RVW and Prokofiev had a go with reasonable success - but they were used to handling long structures). But I suspect to many, film music is a good tune (Rota - Romeo & Juliet) or a dramatic gesture that reminds them of the film itself (Hermann - Psycho; Barry - Zulu) and nothing more.

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                          • MrGongGong
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 18357

                            #88
                            Koyaanisqatsi works for me, more than more or less everything after Einstein

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                            • Nick Armstrong
                              Host
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 26524

                              #89
                              Originally posted by mercia View Post
                              Wednesday evening's concert will include Vertigo and so will Saturday Classics - this is becoming a sad obsession for me
                              Plus I've already heard 3 times the story of Max Steiner coming to Hollywood from Vienna, and Korngold was a wunderkind etc bla bla bla.... And I haven't really been listening that much. As aeolium says, a flood effect - but with film music there's far less substance to withstand the treatment, for the reason Pabs says:
                              Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                              Film music by its very nature is not intended to sustain lengthy structures. To adapt it for concert use needs serious work (RVW and Prokofiev had a go with reasonable success - but they were used to handling long structures). But I suspect to many, film music is a good tune (Rota - Romeo & Juliet) or a dramatic gesture that reminds them of the film itself (Hermann - Psycho; Barry - Zulu) and nothing more.
                              It certainly can't sustain three weeks...

                              It's so bloody silly.
                              "...the isle is full of noises,
                              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                              • Nick Armstrong
                                Host
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 26524

                                #90
                                Originally posted by Stillhomewardbound View Post
                                Star Wars was little short of musical hagiography, much of it from Holst's Planets.
                                The main theme was a SYSTEMATIC rip-off from Korngold's "King's Row" main title music...
                                "...the isle is full of noises,
                                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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