Clique? Exclusive club?

[Flosshilde]

I'm looking forward to going out & trashing restaurants & making fun of oiks.

[eighthobstruction]

Be careful of those battered Tapas and Cicheti they can be terribly dangerous projectiles!!....

[Pabmusic]

I'm looking forward to going out & trashing restaurants & making fun of oiks...[/img]

What's taken you so long? (That blond one at the front ... Boris? )

[Flosshilde]

Yes - it's amazing how little he's changed (I think it's the hair mostly). Dave is second from the left at the back.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

that picture has persuaded me! i am returning to alpha whatsit pronto ....

[Flosshilde]

It can't be the first time you've seen it, surely?

[Pabmusic]

Yes - it's amazing how little he's changed (I think it's the hair mostly). Dave is second from the left at the back.

[MrGongGong]

But how can you tell whether you're part of the clique or not?

Does your front room look like this ?



Do you recognise this ?



Do you know where this is ?



and can you tell what they are singing from the posture of the conductor ?

Which Orchestra is this ?



and so on

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

It can't be the first time you've seen it, surely?

seen it before yep; looked at it proper ... NO!

i do so wish that was my front room!

[Nick Armstrong]

2Gongs -

[Pabmusic]

Does your front room look like this ?
...]

Do you recognise this ?
...

Do you know where this is ?
...

and can you tell what they are singing from the posture of the conductor ?

Which Orchestra is this ?
...

and so on

Not quite sure this qualifies as a test for members of a clique. Members of the Golden Anorak Music Club, perhaps.

[The last picture is surely the VPO. The answers to each of the others are: No, No and No.]

[Nick Armstrong]

A clique is "a narrow exclusive circle or group of persons; especially: one held together by common interests, views, or purposes" (Webster), which sounds about right to me.

What sounds wrong to me is:

a) the 'exclusive' tag - that's certainly not any part of what I see happening on the Forum, nothing gives me more pleasure here that when positive, enthusiastic new members join - the more the merrier, as far as I am concerned; and

b) the way the word "clique" tends to be used in a pejorative sense when individuals (as I said in a post on the Mozart thread - but not just here, it's true in life generally) behave in an over-the-top, offensive and often, it seems, wilfully provocative manner, then encounter some concerted disagreement with that behaviour, and use the word "clique" in a passive-aggressive way to attempt to diminish those who disagree with them and somehow justify their own conduct.

I think your 'Webster's' definition ignores the almost inevitable negative, pejorative connotation of the word, Pabs.

[eighthobstruction]

a passive-aggressive way to attempt to diminish

....ooootake me....take me....I've got an hour, lunch break just starting....

[Richard Tarleton]

I think your 'Webster's' definition ignores the almost inevitable negative, pejorative connotation of the word, Pabs.

The OED definition includes this - "a term of reproach or contempt"....

[Pabmusic]

What sounds wrong to me is:

a) the 'exclusive' tag - that's certainly not any part of what I see happening on the Forum, nothing gives me more pleasure here that when positive, enthusiastic new members join - the more the merrier, as far as I am concerned; and

b) the way the word "clique" tends to be used in a pejorative sense when individuals (as I said in a post on the Mozart thread - but not just here, it's true in life generally) behave in an over-the-top, offensive and often, it seems, wilfully provocative manner, then encounter some unanimity against that behaviour, and use the word "clique" in a passive-aggressive way to attempt to diminish that unanimity and somehow justify their own conduct.

I think your 'Webster's' definition ignores the almost inevitable negative, pejorative connotation of the word, Pabs.

I actually think you're right (it's certainly not my preferred choice of word) but there are two uses of 'exclusive', aren't there? It can be used passively, in the sense that everyone who's a member of this forum is 'exclusively' so, simply because we are members. Or (and this is the pejorative sense in which we use 'exclusively' most often) members of certain groups see themselves as different because of the exclusivity.

Or on the other hand, there's a limit to how long one can string out the discussion of a word that's not all that interesting.