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  • Sydney Grew
    Banned
    • Mar 2007
    • 754

    Symphonies with organ

    Until recently - when I examined the score - I had not realised that Vaughan Williams's gigantic (seventy-minute) First Symphony has a prominent part for organ throughout. Has the organ been used in every recorded performance?

    And what other symphonies with organ (good, bad, famous or obscure) are there?
  • Pabmusic
    Full Member
    • May 2011
    • 5537

    #2
    Saint-Saens 3, obviously, but an unusual one is Elgar 2, for which the composer authorised organ pedals for a few bars in the last movement. I think it's been recorded that way just once (Vernon Handley) but there might be more.

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    • VodkaDilc

      #3
      Copland Organ Symphony. A work I did not know until I heard it on R3 a few weeks ago (isn't that what R3 should be all about?). I bought the CD of the performance (Wayne Marshall with the Dallas Symphony/Litton). It's an interesting and enjoyable work.

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      • Pabmusic
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        • May 2011
        • 5537

        #4
        Originally posted by VodkaDilc View Post
        Copland Organ Symphony. A work I did not know until I heard it on R3 a few weeks ago (isn't that what R3 should be all about?). I bought the CD of the performance (Wayne Marshall with the Dallas Symphony/Litton). It's an interesting and enjoyable work.
        The Copland Third has an organ, too.

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        • Nick Armstrong
          Host
          • Nov 2010
          • 26533

          #5
          I have actually played (trombone) in Alexandre Guilmant's Symphonie No. 1 in D minor for organ and orchestra, Op. 42 (1874)

          Pretty obscure, Koussevitsky used to programme it apparently... latterly recorded for Chandos by the BBC Phil under Y-P Tortelier... http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000000AUI

          Perhaps one of those pieces it's more fun to play than to listen to

          The slow movement's amiable enough: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO5UlJ9O-ZQ
          "...the isle is full of noises,
          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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          • Suffolkcoastal
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 3290

            #6
            Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
            The Copland Third has an organ, too.

            The Copland 3rd doesn't include an organ.

            Yes the organ is certainly present in the Bax 2nd

            A number of French works e.g. Dupre, also Panufnik 7th, Paul Creston 6th, Hoddinott 7th, Diamond 10th, just for starters. There are plenty more.

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            • BBMmk2
              Late Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 20908

              #7
              Ive played that as well Caqli. The audience seemed to like, where I was.

              Stanford has written a concertante piece, called, Concert Piece for organ and orchestra, op.181.
              Don’t cry for me
              I go where music was born

              J S Bach 1685-1750

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              • Tevot
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 1011

                #8
                The Manfred Symphony by Tchaikovsky. The Organ comes in towards the very end. I know that some board members find it bathetic - but I find the coda to The Manfred quite haunting.

                Best Wishes,

                Tevot

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                • Nick Armstrong
                  Host
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 26533

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                  Caqli
                  "...the isle is full of noises,
                  Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                  Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                  Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                  • BBMmk2
                    Late Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20908

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                    Well, they did like it!! :)
                    Don’t cry for me
                    I go where music was born

                    J S Bach 1685-1750

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                    • ahinton
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 16122

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Tevot View Post
                      The Manfred Symphony by Tchaikovsky. The Organ comes in towards the very end. I know that some board members find it bathetic - but I find the coda to The Manfred quite haunting.
                      I fear that I am one of those who finds the coda to the Manfred quite a let-down although, in mitigation, this is in large part because the rest of the work is so marvellous!

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                      • Black Swan

                        #12
                        I quite like the Copland Symphony but am always reminded of this quote from Walter Damrosch

                        The nonmainstream Organ Symphony, having never entered the Copland hit parade, remains best known for the remark conductor Walter Damrosch made to the audience at the New York premiere. He quipped that if a composer so young can write a symphony like this, in five years he'll be ready to commit murder.

                        Really times have changed.

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                        • Sir Velo
                          Full Member
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 3227

                          #13
                          Widor and Vierne composed a whole stack of organ symphonies. Poul Ruders has done one more recently.

                          Mahler 8 has a prominent part for the organ.

                          Brian's Gothic symphony, of course.

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                          • jayne lee wilson
                            Banned
                            • Jul 2011
                            • 10711

                            #14
                            Panufnik's 7th Symphony, the "Metasinfonia", is scored for organ, timpani and strings. Probably his least known, least performed work, a dark and serious 25' to accompany dark and serious meditation. Or just bathe in its sonorities.

                            In the notes to his 8th Symphony ("Alles Vergangliche, Symphony for Organ") Kalevi Aho comments (pricelessly, one may feel...) that it is "a very challenging work for the performer, not least owing to the large number of notes it contains".
                            Shame I never got round to hearing it, really.

                            With Ahinton all the way about the Manfred. Shame Piotr Ilyich put the organ in at all. To be honest, don't much care for the fugue either... (v. Elgar 2, Rachmaninov 3...)

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                            • BBMmk2
                              Late Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 20908

                              #15
                              Poulenc's Concerto for Organ, string and timpani? i am surprised no-one has mentioned this one?
                              Don’t cry for me
                              I go where music was born

                              J S Bach 1685-1750

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