Best made-up beethoven cycle.

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  • slarty
    • Nov 2024

    Best made-up beethoven cycle.

    If we can agree that no conductor can be the best single "man for all symphonies", then put your own cycle together to take to your desert Island.
    here is mine.

    Symphony nr 1 - Abbado VPO DGG 1980s
    Symphony nr 2 - Thielemann VPO 2012 Blu-ray
    Symphony nr 3 - Furtwängler BPO 8 December 1952
    Symphony nr 4 - Carlos Kleiber - Concertgebouw 1983 (DVD)
    Symphony nr 5 - Karajan BPO DGG 1962
    Symphony nr 6 - Furtwängler BPO march 1944
    Symphony nr 7 - Carlos Kleiber Concertgebouw 1983 (DVD)
    Symphony nr 8 - Furtwängler - VPO Salzburg 30-8-1954 ORFEO
    Symphony nr 9 - Furtwängler - LFO Lucerne 22-8-1954.

    Numbers 3 , six and nine are written in stone. the others,? for the rest of this year anyway.
    slarty
  • Nick Armstrong
    Host
    • Nov 2010
    • 26540

    #2
    Interesting.
    For me the Carlos Kleiber/VPO 5 and Bruno Walter 6 would be writ in stone; agreed re CK in 4 and 7. Your 1 & 2 are interesting.
    For 9 I err towards the cataclysmic 1942 BPO/Furtwängler...
    "...the isle is full of noises,
    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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    • jayne lee wilson
      Banned
      • Jul 2011
      • 10711

      #3
      Off the top of me 'ead...

      1 - Norrington/SWR live
      2 - Leibowitz/RPO (lack of repeats notwithstanding...)
      3 - Bruggen/O18C
      4 - Zinman/Zurich Tonhalle
      5 - Gardiner/ORR live Carnegie Hall 16/11/11
      6 - Zender/Saarbrucken RSO
      7 - Gardiner/ORR live Carnegie Hall 16/11/11
      8 - Scherchen/RPO
      9 - Norrington SWR live

      (Of course you could just choose Krivine/la chambre philharmonique in all 9. That would do.)

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      • cloughie
        Full Member
        • Dec 2011
        • 22128

        #4
        Probably the antidote to Jayne's.

        1 Jochum/BavRSO DG
        2 Jochum/BPO DG
        3 Klemperer/PO 1956
        4 Jochum/BPO DG
        5 Dorati/RPO
        6 Cluytens/BPO 1956
        7 Konwitschny/LGO
        8 Jochum/BPO DG
        9 Solti/CSO

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
          Gone fishin'
          • Sep 2011
          • 30163

          #5
          Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
          (Of course you could just choose Krivine/la chambre philharmonique in all 9. That would do.)
          Works for me, too.

          However, in the spirit of the party game

          1 - RPO/Groves?
          2 - RPO/Beecham?
          3 - VPO/Erich Kleiber
          4 - Philharmonia/Klemperer
          5 - BPO/Karajan ('70s)
          6 - ColumbiaSO/Walter
          7 - BPO/Karajan ('70s)
          8 - BPO/Cluytens
          9 - BPO/Karajan ('70s)
          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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          • Dave2002
            Full Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 18023

            #6
            Yet another go:

            1. Walter
            2. Klemperer PO
            3. Bernstein NYPO
            4. Walter
            5. Szell/Amsterdam Concertgebouw
            6. Cluytens (I thought of following fhg with Walter again, but he's represented twice already)
            7. Konwitschny/Leipzig GWO
            8. Toscanini
            9. Karajan - DG circa 1980 not the digital one, though the digital one is OK.

            These aren't the only ones I like, though, but will do for today. There's an element of "gut feel" and a wish to be representative.
            The surprise for me is Toscanini - I don't like him so much in some of the others, but he really kicks the 8th into life.

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            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
              Gone fishin'
              • Sep 2011
              • 30163

              #7
              Dave2002;

              Spookily, you've included many versions I almost went for (Walter & Klemperer in 1 & 2; Cluytens in 6) and your "Karajan c1980" for No 9 might possibly be the 1977 recording I nominated (with Anna Timowa- Sintow, Agnes Baltsa, Peter Schreier & Jose van Dam).

              Don't know the Konwitschny
              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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              • Thropplenoggin
                Full Member
                • Mar 2013
                • 1587

                #8
                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                Dave2002;

                Don't know the Konwitschny
                It's a sensational 7th, worthy of the plaudits it garners from 'those in the know'.
                It loved to happen. -- Marcus Aurelius

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                • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                  Gone fishin'
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 30163

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Thropplenoggin View Post
                  It's a sensational 7th, worthy of the plaudits it garners from 'those in the know'.


                  (and for Dave, too!)
                  [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                  • makropulos
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 1674

                    #10
                    Nice idea. Off the top of my head, a few favourites:

                    No. 1 - Hogwood, AAM (Florilegium)
                    No. 2 - Van Beinum, COA (Australian Eloquence)
                    No. 3 - Matacic, Czech PO (Supraphon)
                    No. 4 - Jochum, BPO (DG)
                    No. 5 - C. Kleiber, VPO (DG)
                    No. 6 - Böhm, VPO (DG)
                    No. 7 - Mackerras, SCO (Hyperion)
                    No. 8 - Chailly, Leipzig Gewandhaus
                    No. 9 - Mackerras, RLPO (EMI) or Philharmonia (Hyperion) or OAE (or all three...)

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                    • Alison
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 6459

                      #11
                      1. SCO/Mackerras

                      2. VPO/Bernstein

                      3. BPO/Abbado

                      4. LSO/Haitink

                      5. LSO/Haitink

                      6. LPO/Boult

                      7. Halle/Loughran

                      8. LSO/Haitink

                      9. Stuttgart/Norrington

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                      • Bryn
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 24688

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Alison View Post
                        1. SCO/Mackerras

                        2. VPO/Bernstein

                        3. BPO/Abbado

                        4. LSO/Haitink

                        5. LSO/Haitink

                        6. LPO/Boult

                        7. Halle/Loughran

                        8. LSO/Haitink

                        9. Stuttgart/Norrington
                        Only three from Bernie, Alison?

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                        • Alison
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 6459

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                          Only three from Bernie, Alison?
                          Would happily take the whole SACD set, Nethers.

                          Must take a fresh check on the Krivine which I gather is available again.

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                          • Petrushka
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 12256

                            #14
                            1. BPO/Karajan (1963)

                            2. BPO/Karajan (1963)

                            3. VPO/Furtwängler (1944)

                            4. BPO/Karajan (1963)

                            5. VPO/Kleiber

                            6. VPO/Böhm

                            7. Leipzig Gewandhaus/Konwitschny

                            8. Leipzig Gewandhaus/Chailly

                            9. LPO/Tennstedt (1992)
                            "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                            • Nick Armstrong
                              Host
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 26540

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                              9. LPO/Tennstedt (1992)
                              Wow. Don't know that one... That's the LPO Live as opposed to the earlier (80s?) Prom reading, I think.

                              How have I missed hearing it?

                              Thanks!
                              "...the isle is full of noises,
                              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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