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Simon Heffer presenting British music throughout June: Saturday Classics
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Originally posted by french frank View Post
Answer: People who across a whole range of subjects are too young and too ignorant to understand. But that's just my view.
If a design dullard like me can spot that a stylised outline of the British Isles with a treble clef superimposed on it would make a better 'logo', then we are in a bad way
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I assume we would be equally offended if it was a programme of all French music with a photo of a tricolor bow-tie [if such a thing exists]
I'm not sure I find it any worse than the representation of the union flag on a supermarket bag of British-grown apples - it's just a sort of shorthand symbolic identification
Now I think about it SH's first series of British-only music was around the time of the Queen's Accession anniversary and this series will be around the Coronation anniversary - it looks like a deliberate bit of flag-waving [by SH] to meLast edited by mercia; 25-05-13, 15:26.
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Originally posted by mercia View PostI assume we would be equally offended if it was a programme of all French music with a photo of a tricolor bow-tie [if such a thing exists]
I'm not sure I find it any worse than the representation of the union flag on a supermarket bag of British-grown apples - it's just a sort of shorthand symbolic identification
"...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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Originally posted by mercia View PostI'm not sure I find it any worse than the representation of the union flag on a supermarket bag of British-grown apples - it's just a sort of shorthand symbolic identificationIt isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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"Blame the Hooligans, Not The Stadiums: The problems at Hillsborough, though Taylor was reluctant to say it, was one of hooliganism. However much it may outrage Liverpool, 95 Liverpool fans were killed by the thuggishness and ignorance of other Liverpool fans crushing into the ground behind them. It serves no purpose to prevent the fans who caused the crush from facing that responsibility"
Heffer
Sunday Telegraph 1991; quoted in "Media Impact after Hillsborough", Report of the Hillsborough ProjectAccording to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.
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I started this thread about 90 seconds ago very interested.
Now I am teetering on disappointment by anticipation.
oh well, I can just head off here
I really dont see how I can listen to programmes presented by men in Union Jack bow ties.
have I got this wrong?
Edit: Just saw Jazzers post.
Just unbelievable.
Seriously, there must be loads of articulate, knowledgeable, employable people out there who know about British Music.I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostThat bowtie conjures up images of British jingoism. No?
However, I remember enjoying Simon Heffer's last British Music programmes very much (I think there was quite a discussion about it here with all of the posts being appreciative) so I look foward to it.
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It should be so simple.
A programme,say a couple of hours once a week,dedicated to the lesser heard British composers,featuring an introduction to,and playing of,complete works and introduced by,for example Martin Handley or one of the other more knowledgeable presenters.
No flags or bow ties needed.
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Originally posted by mercia View PostI'm never quite sure when patriotism becomes jingoism - a flag is patriotic, a bow-tie is jingoistic
But the Daily Telegraph article seems to lead the way in using the image for the Proms and I assume that's the Radio 3 connection - even if the Proms don't play a huge amount of British music - it's British. But before we get too bigheaded, I also found this, with the same bowtie image:
"In many ways British Prom Night is the over-excitable younger sister of the fabulous American Prom. The USA have been enjoying Prom Nights for generations and they do it very, very well."
But relax, it's not talking about The Proms but an end of year school dance.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Agree the Calum piece is appalling and what we probably have is seen as a sort of win win. The Beeb gets a little right wing input to swing the balance marginally away from its perceived watery libel position and possibly lifts the Telewag and SH off its back for a week. SH can play DJ with his favourite, British as the flag, pieces.
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Originally posted by antongould View PostAgree the Calum piece is appalling and what we probably have is seen as a sort of win win. The Beeb gets to get a little right wing input to swing the balance marginally away from its perceived watery libel position and possibly gets the Telewag and SH off its backfor a week. SH gets to play DJ with his favourite, British as the flag, pieces.
Plus music of thought and passion gets sidelined, marginalised, used and abused.I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.
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