John Sheppard - one of THE great geniuses of English music

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  • Nick Armstrong
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    • Nov 2010
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    John Sheppard - one of THE great geniuses of English music

    Over the years, I've encountered the music of Sheppard and been impressed. I am now in a full-blown Sheppard immersion phase.

    The man is up there with Tallis, Byrd, Purcell, Elgar, RVW (add others, ad lib.) as one of the very best composers this country has ever produced, I'm in no doubt about it.

    Anyone who doesn't know his music, try this - Libera Nos I & II, sung by Stile Antico... I can't stop listening to it, and it becomes ever more mesmerising the more I do so.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwtBoJgSUIw
    "...the isle is full of noises,
    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

  • Anna

    #2
    That's very lovely Cali - do you have suggestions for further listening/cds? (I confess I haven't conciously heard him before)

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    • Nick Armstrong
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      • Nov 2010
      • 26533

      #3
      Originally posted by Anna View Post
      That's very lovely Cali - do you have suggestions for further listening/cds? (I confess I haven't conciously heard him before)
      His magnum opus is Media Vita, nearly half an hour long - I'd suggest the same performers' Sheppard disc with that and other pieces http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sheppard-Med.../dp/B002XG8KAG

      Libera Nos is from this album, along with Tallis etc: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B...sr=1-1-catcorr ..... 89p to put that gem on your iPod... A steal !!

      There's a Sheppard piece on this lovely album by the group, as well as Tallis's superb Christmas Mass http://www.amazon.co.uk/Puer-Natus-E...dmt_dmusic_t_1
      "...the isle is full of noises,
      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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      • gurnemanz
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 7386

        #4
        3 Sheppard discs on this recommendable Hyperion set.

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        • Rolmill
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 634

          #5
          Originally posted by Anna View Post
          That's very lovely Cali - do you have suggestions for further listening/cds? (I confess I haven't conciously heard him before)
          I have a Hyperion Dyad twofer of The Sixteen singing the Cantate mass and a number of motets - it is a good, inexpensive way in. There is also another Dyad collection from the same performers (which I don't have), which includes the beautiful Western Wynde mass and more motets (though not the Media Vita, unfortunately). The Tallis Scholars are also very good (but still full price afaik) in both the WW mass and MV.

          Edit: cross posted with Gurnemanz - looks like the 3 CDs in the box he links to contain most of the tracks on the two Hyperion Dyad reissues I mentioned. That looks like a good box (I have some of the Tavener recordings, and they are also lovely).
          Last edited by Rolmill; 18-05-13, 22:20.

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          • BBMmk2
            Late Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 20908

            #6
            This muisc seems to send you on another plain Cali! thank you! I do not seem to have this particular cd either so again thank you!!
            Don’t cry for me
            I go where music was born

            J S Bach 1685-1750

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            • DracoM
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              • Mar 2007
              • 12970

              #7
              Christ Church Cathedral Oxford have a series of CDs from the Eton Choirbook on which Sheppard and other glories are brilliantly sung.

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              • amateur51

                #8
                Many thanks for this Caliban et al - it's music that I don't know and which is quite clearly lovely while it is playing but it just doesn't stick in my noddle. The fault is clearly mine and I shall try your suggested immersion technique to overcome it, but it does sadden me that I have been issued with a Sheppard (and other composers of this age) deficit

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                • amateur51

                  #9
                  Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                  Many thanks for this Caliban et al - it's music that I don't know and which is quite clearly lovely while it is playing but it just doesn't stick in my noddle. The fault is clearly mine and I shall try your suggested immersion technique to overcome it, but it does sadden me that I have been issued with a Sheppard (and other composers of this age) deficit
                  By George! I think I'm getting it

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                  • Gabriel Jackson
                    Full Member
                    • May 2011
                    • 686

                    #10
                    Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                    Christ Church Cathedral Oxford have a series of CDs from the Eton Choirbook on which Sheppard and other glories are brilliantly sung.
                    There is nothing by Sheppard on those discs. Indeed there is nothing by Sheppard in the Eton Choirbook (he was of a later generation)!

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                    • Nick Armstrong
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 26533

                      #11
                      Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                      By George! I think I'm getting it


                      Keep listening - all those modulations and discords and resolutions all the way through the texture are just intoxicating...
                      "...the isle is full of noises,
                      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                      • Anna

                        #12
                        Presto Classsical have two Sheppard cds on offer, the Western Wynde Mass and the Cantate Mass both plus some of his other sacred music, both are 2cds, at 7.65, both by Harry Christopher and The Sixteens. Offer closes tomorrow (there are also other Hyperion discs at 40% off)
                        This page lists all recordings of Libera nos, salva Nos. II by John Sheppard (1515–58).

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                        • doversoul1
                          Ex Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 7132

                          #13
                          Anna
                          There was a very interesting discussion about Sheppard’s music on last Saturday’s Early Music Show if you can download the programme as podcast (I think, as I don’t do download)
                          Catherine Bott talks to David Wulstan, founder of the pioneering Clerkes of Oxenford.

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                          • LeMartinPecheur
                            Full Member
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 4717

                            #14
                            My Sheppard collection is small but does go back a long, long way to those funny things called LPs: The Clerkes of Oxenford CFP40265 which includes both of Cali's Libera noses (sorry!) and Tallis Scholars Gimmell 1685-16 with Media vita u.a. So it looks like I was ahead of the field in tuning in to JS<smugface>

                            Plus on CD, Vol 4 of the Sixteen's collection on Hyperion with the Western Wind mass etc. Not exactly the complete works - lots of duplications - but enough to keep me happy for now!
                            I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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                            • Anna

                              #15
                              Is it too late to say I love The Western Wynde Mass, or is this boring? A Hyperion 2 cd. Would have been better if it weren't for The Sixteens. Still, needs must.

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