British Music

[teamsaint]

But we can listen to them all and watch quite a few of them 'at no extra charge'. Any other nation on earth would be so proud of its public broadcasting system for putting this festival on

I wonder if other nations would ignore their own creative talent from the last 100 years so comprehensively, Ams?
And I don't mean that in a jingoistic way !

[french frank]

Incidentally, much of our greatest creative musical talent has , IMO, operated in other areas of music.

and gets more than a good look-in on e.g. Radio 1:

"Radio 1 should make a very important contribution to this purpose amongst its audience, primarily through its contribution to musical creativity in the UK. It should provide a significant platform for new music and emerging UK artists across a wide range of musical genres."

"Radio 1 should:

Ensure that at least 40% of the music in daytime is from UK acts each year
Ensure that at least 45% of the music in daytime is new each year, with continuous particular support for new and emerging UK artists alongside established acts."

"Radio 1’s programmes should exhibit some or all of the following characteristics: high quality, original, challenging, innovative and engaging, and it should nurture UK talent.

The service should deliver its remit by producing a wide range of programmes that expose listeners to new and sometimes challenging material they may not otherwise experience. It should reflect a diverse range of new and UK music."

Remit: "It should offer a range of new music, support emerging artists - especially those from the UK."

[teamsaint]

and gets more than a good look-in on e.g. Radio 1:

"Radio 1 should make a very important contribution to this purpose amongst its audience, primarily through its contribution to musical creativity in the UK. It should provide a significant platform for new music and emerging UK artists across a wide range of musical genres."

"Radio 1 should:

Ensure that at least 40% of the music in daytime is from UK acts each year
Ensure that at least 45% of the music in daytime is new each year, with continuous particular support for new and emerging UK artists alongside established acts."

"Radio 1’s programmes should exhibit some or all of the following characteristics: high quality, original, challenging, innovative and engaging, and it should nurture UK talent.

The service should deliver its remit by producing a wide range of programmes that expose listeners to new and sometimes challenging material they may not otherwise experience. It should reflect a diverse range of new and UK music."

Remit: "It should offer a range of new music, support emerging artists - especially those from the UK."

In my days of listening to R1, that sort of remit was served during the late hours of the evening only.
is there a similar remit for R3, FF?

[french frank]

In my days of listening to R1, that sort of remit was served during the late hours of the evening only.
is there a similar remit for R3, FF?

This is the age of Britpop, ts

The nearest is this mention:

4. Overview of aims and objectives

Radio 3’s programmes should exhibit some or all of the following characteristics: high quality, original, challenging, innovative and engaging, and it should nurture UK talent. Radio 3 should place a special emphasis on live and specially recorded music. The schedule should also feature commercially recorded music, including historic recordings.

Radio 3 should aim to enrich the cultural life of the UK and reflect its musical and arts agenda. The service should aim to educate audiences about music, broadcasting a wide range of programmes that expose listeners to new and sometimes challenging material they may not otherwise experience. It should commission new work from composers, musicians and playwrights and draw on the best talent from across the world to create its output.

R3's SL also states:

"5.1 Stimulating creativity and cultural excellence
Radio 3 should make a very important contribution to this purpose amongst its audience. It should be one of the most significant commissioners of music in the world. It should engage both established and emerging talent [NB not specifically UK talent - viz New Generation Artists] - and provide opportunities for performance by the BBC orchestras, choruses, the BBC Singers, other soloists and ensembles. Radio 3 should also maintain broadcasting relationships with other UK orchestras, opera companies and festivals. The station should find innovative ways to present live and recorded music to UK listeners.

5.3 Reflecting the UK’s nations, regions and communities
Radio 3 should contribute to this purpose amongst its audience. It should broadcast concerts and events from venues across the UK.

5.4 Bringing the UK to the world and the world to the UK [a BBC 'Public Purpose' and therefore the same for all services]

Radio 3 should contribute to this purpose amongst its audience, by working actively with partner broadcasters to broadcast highlights of international musical life to British audiences

Its world music coverage should regularly feature musicians based in the UK. In its coverage of the work of foreign musicians, Radio 3 should often explore the cultural roots of those communities that have settled in the UK.

[teamsaint]

You would think that a radio station operating under those guidelines would be compulsive listening......

edit: My casual teatime post has turned into a thread !!!!

What devilry is this?

[french frank]

You would think that a radio station operating under those guidelines would be compulsive listening......

As regards your question about 'British Music', when they surveyed audiences for Charter renewal, in the BBC's typical 'one size fits all' manner, they asked R3 listeners how well they thought R3 dealt with British Music.

Now, in a narrow, specialised way, I can see that the question has a point, particularly to enthusiasts. But in a more general sense - suggesting some kind of broad obligation to serve British music in particular - it seems nonsensical. 'Foreign' artists and 'foreign' music are the very stuff of the classical music world, or pehaps one should say that nationality has little relevance.

[teamsaint]

My original (rather casual) comment was really aimed at the Proms rather than R3 in general.
I don't really have a problem with something of a bias towards the local though. If British radio doesn't champion British music, (to an extent) who else will do it? the point is not in focussing on music specifically because of its "Britishness", but because it is exists, and deserves a chance, and if it doesn't get a chance here, it is far less likely to elsewhere.
And of course that goes for stations in other countries too.

We don't (at least I haven't heard people) take issue with BBC local radio promoting local pop music talent, which is something that they do.

Edit...off to the "World Music " sub forum now........

[BBMmk2]

Quite simply, the promsd these days dontr do enough for British music!

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Quite simply, the promsd these days dontr do enough for British music!

ADES: 1 work = 45min
ARNOLD: 2 works = 26min
BANTOCK: 4 works = 51min
BERKELEY: 2 works = 27min
BIRTWISTLE: 1 work = 20min
BRITTEN: 22 works = 490min (over 7 hours)
BURRELL: 1 work = 10 min
COATES: 2 works = 25min
COWIE: 1 work = 9min
DOWLAND: mixed concert = 55min
Music from the ETON CHOIRBOOK: c30min
ELGAR: 4 works = 93min
HOLST(G): 6 works = 108min
HOLST(I): 1 work = 10min
LLOYD: 2 works = 56min
MACONCHY: 1 work = c20min
MACMILLAN: 1 work = 25min
MATTHEWS(C): 1 work = 18min
MATTHEWS(D): 1 work = 20mins
McCABE: 1 work = 7min
MEREDITH: 1 work = c10min
PANUFNIK: 2 works = 17min
PURCELL: 1 work = 7min
RAINIER: 1 work = 6min
RUBBRA: 1 work = 13min
SHEPHERD: 1 work = 10min
SOHAL: 1 work = 45min
TAVERNER: 2 works = 46min
TIPPETT: 6 works = 250min
TURNAGE: 1 work = 15min
RVW: 5 works = 146min
WALTON: 4 works = 47min
WARLOCK: 1 work = 23min
WHITE: 1 work = 10min
plus individual (untimed) pieces by ALWYN, BENNETT, GERMAN, IRELAND, LUCAS, & SULLIVAN; the Dr Who and "Urban" Proms and the usual ARNE and PARRY on the Last Night

SO - 42 British composers (from the time of Henry IV to today) with a total of over 1790minutes (30 hours).

[Nick Armstrong]

Mr Ferneyhiccup, a persuasive case for the Defence!

And yet... and yet... an Arnold or a Rubbra symphony cycle would be so much more brave and interesting than a Tchaikovsky cycle, wouldn't it?

Maybe next year for the next 3 RVWs from Manze...?

Any more for the Prosecution, Mr Brassymaestro?

[teamsaint]

well I haven't checked Ferney's maths.....no doubt it is spot on !!

It's interesting how much British music is there in total. I would guesstimate somewhere in the region of 15/20 % of the total, or more accurately 3/4 hours per week.
looking at the schedules, much of the music outside of the big hitters (RVW/BB/Holst) is programmed in the late night or chamber proms. Not much is in the high visibility slots of the evening proms. As our man in court No 1 suggests, it would be interesting to see what effect a Rubbra or Arnold or Simpson symphony cycle (even over a few years) would have on perceptions about their music.

Not much point in playing numbers really, but the total is skewed by the high level of BB this year, naturally enough.

Bums on seats, I guess.....
(not meaning the corporates, obviously !)

[LeMartinPecheur]

well I haven't checked Ferney's maths.....no doubt it is spot on !!

Well, I did wonder about "BRITTEN...490min (over 7 hours)"

Yup, and that's 'over 1 hour' too...

And 8...

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Well, I did wonder about "BRITTEN...490min (over 7 hours)"

Yup, and that's 'over 1 hour' too...

And 8...

Am I to be held responsible for the fact that some damed fule put the 7 next to the 8 on my ketboard?!

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

And yet... and yet... an Arnold or a Rubbra symphony cycle would be so much more brave and interesting than a Tchaikovsky cycle, wouldn't it?

Maybe next year for the next 3 RVWs from Manze...?

I refer my learned friend to my previous answer.

[LeMartinPecheur]

Am I to be held responsible for the fact that some damed fule put the 7 next to the 8 on my ketboard?!

Cleanly!