Richard Strauss: Orchestral music

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  • BBMmk2
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    • Nov 2010
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    Richard Strauss: Orchestral music

    This composer's orchestral music, for me is probably the climax in German musical though at the time till his death in 1945, with that amzing time capsule of a piece for string orchestra Metarmorphosen. With this particular composition, it certainly took me a good few years to try and understand it or even begin to. The recording that really helped me was BPO?Karajan.
    Don’t cry for me
    I go where music was born

    J S Bach 1685-1750
  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
    • 20570

    #2
    Those late orchestral works are rather special. His oboe concerto is quite wonderful.

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    • Mr Pee
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      • Nov 2010
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      #3
      Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
      This composer's orchestral music, for me is probably the climax in German musical though at the time till his death in 1945, with that amzing time capsule of a piece for string orchestra Metarmorphosen. With this particular composition, it certainly took me a good few years to try and understand it or even begin to. The recording that really helped me was BPO?Karajan.
      That Karajan Metamorphosen would certainly be one of my Desert Island Discs- I have yet to hear a recording to equal it- and the Tod und Verklarung that's coupled with it is also pretty special.
      Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.

      Mark Twain.

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      • umslopogaas
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        • Nov 2010
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        #4
        No problems with Karajan, but the recording for me is the 1969 ASMF LP conducted by Marriner, on Argo (ZRG 604). Wagner's Siegfried Idyll on the other side. Still got it, forty plus years later.

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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          • Sep 2011
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          #5
          Originally posted by Mr Pee View Post
          That Karajan Metamorphosen would certainly be one of my Desert Island Discs- I have yet to hear a recording to equal it- and the Tod und Verklarung that's coupled with it is also pretty special.
          I completely agree, Mr Pee; 'tho' I wonder if Bbm meant his earlier recording, which was originally coupled with the full-band Beethoven Grosse Fuge and now comes with the Four Last Songs (Gundula Janowitz - another DID) and the Oboe Concerto?

          The Marriner mentioned by umsloppo uses the size of ensemble Strauss wrote for - 'tho' Karajan's request to perform it with a larger String Orchestra was sanctioned by the composer.
          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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          • BBMmk2
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            • Nov 2010
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            #6
            Ah Ferney. I did mean Mr Pee's recordingf.
            Don’t cry for me
            I go where music was born

            J S Bach 1685-1750

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            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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              • Sep 2011
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              #7
              Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
              Ah Ferney. I did mean Mr Pee's recordingf.
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              • Nick Armstrong
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                • Nov 2010
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                #8
                Originally posted by Mr Pee View Post
                That Karajan Metamorphosen would certainly be one of my Desert Island Discs
                I was heavily into Metamorphosen some years ago and acquired / tried most...

                Extensive testing led to a surprising 'winner' for me - the performance by the Vienna Phil under .... André Previn (Phillips, nla.). It displaced the Karajan in my allegiance, it seems to let the music speak and breathe for itself more, to my ears.
                "...the isle is full of noises,
                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                • Thropplenoggin
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                  • Mar 2013
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                  #9
                  Timely thread, BBM.

                  I haven't clicked with Strauss yet, though I must say, I haven't tried that hard.

                  I had a breakthrough listen to Schoenberg's Verklarte Nacht this week (Boulez conducting), and Gurrelieder (Salonen), though I accept these are his easier works (!). Still, I do feel ready to try some orchestral Strauss.

                  Happy to receive some recommendations for the tone poems or other works, most of which will no doubt be available on Qobuz.
                  It loved to happen. -- Marcus Aurelius

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                  • BBMmk2
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20908

                    #10
                    Thropps, there is one work that i would reccomend beofre EA does!!
                    Don’t cry for me
                    I go where music was born

                    J S Bach 1685-1750

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                    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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                      • Sep 2011
                      • 30163

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Thropplenoggin View Post
                      Happy to receive some recommendations for the tone poems or other works, most of which will no doubt be available on Qobuz.
                      The Four Last Songs (Soprano & orchestra) - as near to heaven as we're likely to get. (And with Herbie & the Berlin Band supporting Gundula Janowitz *, closer than I'm ever likely to get! Other versions are readily available, many of them very good indeed.)


                      ( * = the emoticon is actually part of the spelling of her name. It's like a sort of umlaut.)
                      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                      • Thropplenoggin
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                        • Mar 2013
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                        Thropps, there is one work that i would reccomend beofre EA does!!
                        But which version?!!
                        It loved to happen. -- Marcus Aurelius

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                        • Thropplenoggin
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                          • Mar 2013
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                          The Four Last Songs (Soprano & orchestra) - as near to heaven as we're likely to get. (And with Herbie & the Berlin Band supporting Gundula Janowitz *, closer than I'm ever likely to get! Other versions are readily available, many of them very good indeed.)


                          ( * = the emoticon is actually part of the spelling of her name. It's like a sort of umlaut.)


                          Thanks, FHG.

                          Bizarrely, I hadn't thought of these as 'orchestral works'. I am already familiar with these works (Jessye Norman, Lucia Popp, Lisa Della Cassa).
                          It loved to happen. -- Marcus Aurelius

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                          • Ferretfancy
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                            • Nov 2010
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                            I was heavily into Metamorphosen some years ago and acquired / tried most...

                            Extensive testing led to a surprising 'winner' for me - the performance by the Vienna Phil under .... André Previn (Phillips, nla.). It displaced the Karajan in my allegiance, it seems to let the music speak and breathe for itself more, to my ears.
                            Caliban
                            I was just about to endorse the Previn as I read your recommendation. The recording is superb as well.

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                            • Lordgeous
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                              • Dec 2012
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by umslopogaas View Post
                              No problems with Karajan, but the recording for me is the 1969 ASMF LP conducted by Marriner, on Argo (ZRG 604). Wagner's Siegfried Idyll on the other side. Still got it, forty plus years later.
                              Me too!

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