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  • Dave2002
    Full Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 18021

    Concerti Grossi

    We are told that the baroque concerti grossi were precursors to more recent concertos. The most well known composers of these appear to be:

    Handel
    Vivaldi
    Corelli

    Bach also wrote pieces in this style/form, as did Telemann.

    Others from earlier years seem to include Albinoni, Torelli, Avison, Alessandro Scarlatti, Locatelli and Geminiani.

    In the 20th Century Vaughan Wiiliams and Schnittke wrote pieces called Concerto Grosso. Are there any others worth knowing about?

    PS: Would you also believe it - Karl Jenkins.

    PPS: I guess the title should really be Concerti Grossi!
    Last edited by Dave2002; 10-03-13, 14:39.
  • EdgeleyRob
    Guest
    • Nov 2010
    • 12180

    #2
    I absolutely adore the three by William Alwyn.
    If you love English string music you will have no problem with no 2.
    This is a super cd http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alwyn-Concer...2922913&sr=8-4
    They are available on Naxos too,the second, conducted by the composer, is also on Lyrita.

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    • Nick Armstrong
      Host
      • Nov 2010
      • 26538

      #3
      Originally posted by EdgeleyRob View Post
      I absolutely adore the three by William Alwyn.
      Wow... never heard of them... and I count myself a fan of English string music...
      "...the isle is full of noises,
      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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      • Nick Armstrong
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 26538

        #4
        Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
        PPS: I guess the title should really be Concerti Grossi!
        "...the isle is full of noises,
        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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        • mercia
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 8920

          #5
          Ernest Bloch (1880-1959): Concerto Grosso n.1 per orchestra d'archi con pianoforte obbligato (1925) -- George Schick, pianoforte --- Chicago Symphony Orchest...

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          • Dave2002
            Full Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 18021

            #6
            Originally posted by Caliban View Post
            Muchas gracias, señor.

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            • Dave2002
              Full Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 18021

              #7
              Lemeland wrote a Concertino Grosso which sounds like a contradiction in terms and a flute concerto.

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              • Pabmusic
                Full Member
                • May 2011
                • 5537

                #8
                Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
                ...In the 20th Century Vaughan Wiiliams and Schnittke wrote pieces called Concerto Grosso. Are there any others worth knowing about?

                PS: Would you also believe it - Karl Jenkins.

                PPS: I guess the title should really be Concerti Grossi!
                Bloch wrote more than one. Holst's Fugal Concerto is one in all but name. The Bachianas Brasilieras of Villa-Lobos are all modelled on the Brandenburgs, and therefore should be thought of as concerti grossi, as should Stravinsky's Dumbarton Oaks and Concerto in D. Martinu wrote one concerto grosso at least. Tippett's Concerto for Double String Orchestra and Barber's Capricorn Concerto rate inclusion. For that matter, Elgar's Intro & Allegro and RVW's Tallis Fantasia ought to be there too.
                Last edited by Pabmusic; 11-03-13, 00:44.

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                • Dave2002
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 18021

                  #9
                  A couple of modernish Ks - Krenek and Kubik, who both wrote concerti grossi between them. Krenek wrote more than one.

                  A B - Bořkovec.

                  A Z - Zwilich.

                  From earlier times - Roman from Sweden/Germany and Muffat also wrote concerti grossi.

                  PS: Another B - Boyce.
                  Last edited by Dave2002; 11-03-13, 08:33.

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                  • DublinJimbo
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 1222

                    #10
                    Kenneth Fuchs: For String Quartet and String Orchestra
                    Eino Tamberg: For Wind Quintet, Piano, Percussion and Strings (really enjoyable)

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                    • Dave2002
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 18021

                      #11
                      Originally posted by DublinJimbo View Post
                      Kenneth Fuchs: For String Quartet and String Orchestra
                      Eino Tamberg: For Wind Quintet, Piano, Percussion and Strings (really enjoyable)
                      Now semi automating the search - watch for details in the Techie forum.

                      Julián Orbón: Concerto Grosso

                      and of course Stravinsky - seems he did write one - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Stravinsky-A.../dp/B003L2UPXQ and then

                      Bernstein: St Louis Blues (Concerto Grosso)

                      Manfredini Op 3

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                      • aeolium
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 3992

                        #12
                        Tippett's Concerto for Double String Orchestra and Barber's Capricorn Concerto rate inclusion.
                        And what about Tippett's Fantasia Concertante on a Theme of Corelli, currently playing on R3?

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                        • Dave2002
                          Full Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 18021

                          #13
                          Pieter Hellendaal - for example - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLmi5wKKewo

                          Penderecki: Concerto grosso for three cellos and orchestra

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                          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                            Gone fishin'
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 30163

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
                            and of course Stravinsky - seems he did write one - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Stravinsky-A.../dp/B003L2UPXQ
                            That's the Concerto in D for String Orchestra of 1946, sometimes called the "Basel Concerto".

                            More of a genuine Concerto Grosso (and modelled on Bach's procedures in the 3rd and 5th Brandenburgs) is his Dumbarton Oaks Concerto in Eb, written eight years earlier.
                            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                            • Roehre

                              #15
                              Concerti grossi composers (not mentioned yet):

                              Bloch, Blomdahl , de Fesch, Godar, Hellendaal, Kauchlitz, Markevich , Martinu, D. Scarlatti, Schönberg (String quartet and orchestra after Handel!)

                              Respighi's Concerto à cinque
                              Wassenaer: Concerti armonici
                              Hartmann: Symphony no.5 could be called a concerto grosso

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