Howard Goodall on BBC Two

[Mr Pee]

Oooops sorry Howard Goodall - but I still think the Dribbley music is pap

What do you expect from a sitcom feem toon- The Firebird?

[Nick Armstrong]

What do you expect from a sitcom feem toon- The Firebird?

[teamsaint]

What do you expect from a sitcom feem toon- The Firebird?

you could have DSCH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-We4YHlTUQ

[amateur51]

What do you expect from a sitcom feem toon- The Firebird?

No for the Vicar of Dribbley (a woman vicar - how hilarious ) I'd expect something by ... Howard Goodall about whom you seem to be very keen Mr Pee - five out of your six posts today have been about him

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I can remember Hans Keller quoting a section of the final movement of the G Minor Symphony which contains a twelve-tone row.

It's at the beginning of the development section, but there are only 11 notes out of the 12. the "D" is missing, unless you count the one in the semiquaver triplet, which would include 2 notes heard elsewhere.

But all this Goodall bashing is misguided. He is trying to do something good. If you want to vent your ire, do so at programmes like Blue Peter, which dumb down increasingly where music is concerned.
And the pop concert at Buckingham Palace, that was not complemented by a classical concert.
Or the Oscars that give an award for the best cheap and nasty song to accompany the end credits.

Leave Howard alone.

[Mary Chambers]

But all this Goodall bashing is misguided. He is trying to do something good. If you want to vent your ire, do so at programmes like Blue Peter, which dumb down increasingly where music is concerned.
And the pop concert at Buckingham Palace, that was not complemented by a classical concert.
Or the Oscars that give an award for the best cheap and nasty song to accompany the end credits.

Leave Howard alone.

Some of the things he says drive me mad, but I do agree with you about this.

[Nick Armstrong]

Some of the things he says drive me mad, but I do agree with you about this.

And I agree with you about that, too.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

It's at the beginning of the development section, but there are only 11 notes out of the 12. the "D" is missing, unless you count the one in the semiquaver triplet, which would include 2 notes heard elsewhere.

Err, no: the D is the second note of the "Row" (emphasised in that it's on the strong beat of the bar after the upbeat Bb): it's the G that's missing (the Tonic of the work).

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Err, no: the D is the second note of the "Row" (emphasised in that it's on the strong beat of the bar after the upbeat Bb): it's the G that's missing (the Tonic of the work).

You are quite right.

[Ferretfancy]

Howard Goodall is giving us a personal Cook's Tour of classical music in a key weekend spot on television, he is not Hans Keller discussing tone rows. Sometimes the sheer snobbery and self righteousness on these boards is unbelievable ! By all means let's discuss the programmes, but on the understanding of what they are intended to be, an unpatronising approach to revealing some of the pleasure of music and how it's constructed.

[Mr Pee]

Howard Goodall is giving us a personal Cook's Tour of classical music in a key weekend spot on television, he is not Hans Keller discussing tone rows. Sometimes the sheer snobbery and self righteousness on these boards is unbelievable ! By all means let's discuss the programmes, but on the understanding of what they are intended to be, an unpatronising approach to revealing some of the pleasure of music and how it's constructed.

[Mr Pee]

No for the Vicar of Dibley I'd expect something by ... Howard Goodall

Which is precisely what you got.

[ahinton]

But doesn’t it seem odd now that Brahms was regarded in his day as the very antithesis of Wagner and Bruckner, and that Tchaikovsky was implacably opposed to Brahms, when today we (or most of us, I hope) can happily listen to all of them as great figures of essentially the same age (while recognizing their individual differences, of course)?

Of course it does; time's more than a mere great healer, I'd say. Schönberg admired all of them and, in his early work, it shows; Mahler adored Tchaikovsky and conducted some of his work. All of them loved Johann Strauss II! Yes, all that factionalising does indeed seem bizarre from an early 21st century perspective.

[Pabmusic]

...But all this Goodall bashing is misguided. He is trying to do something good. If you want to vent your ire, do so at programmes like Blue Peter, which dumb down increasingly where music is concerned.
And the pop concert at Buckingham Palace, that was not complemented by a classical concert.
Or the Oscars that give an award for the best cheap and nasty song to accompany the end credits.

Leave Howard alone.

How I agree.

Howard Goodall is giving us a personal Cook's Tour of classical music in a key weekend spot on television, he is not Hans Keller discussing tone rows. Sometimes the sheer snobbery and self righteousness on these boards is unbelievable ! By all means let's discuss the programmes, but on the understanding of what they are intended to be, an unpatronising approach to revealing some of the pleasure of music and how it's constructed.

Some of the posts seem to show a nostalgia for the 1950s and 60s.

[gurnemanz]

Howard Goodall is giving us a personal Cook's Tour of classical music in a key weekend spot on television, he is not Hans Keller discussing tone rows. Sometimes the sheer snobbery and self righteousness on these boards is unbelievable ! By all means let's discuss the programmes, but on the understanding of what they are intended to be, an unpatronising approach to revealing some of the pleasure of music and how it's constructed.

Me no snob. I'm not a musicologist or any kind of trained musician for that matter and do not have the knowledge or expertise that would justify any lofty feeling of self-righteousness. It is not at all "unbelievable" to me that some members here might find Mr Goodall's pronouncements a bit simplistic or even erroneous and I have greatly enjoyed reading their comments. That's why I sign on here - to get a range of views. As a snapper-up of anything that interests me, I have found quite a lot to enjoy in the programmes. I also used to enjoy trying to get my head around some of the more abstruse stuff that Hans Keller used to come out with.