Now I've seen it all

[teamsaint]

NO NO NO Poodle Hair
they don't really find it "Boring"
but that's the word that people say
I don't even think that people mean what it means
(which is a whole area of linguistic theory that is worth exploring)

Oh yes, lets play linguistic theory. Or better.....literary theory......
Can we start with post modernism?

Edit? isn't where people say something but mean something else called Politics?

Edit: returning to music,and with reference to the "writing a symphony" thread maybe one issue around classical music is that it is seen by too many young people as something that other people perform, and not as something in which they might participate at some point.

[Beef Oven]

NO NO NO Poodle Hair
they don't really find it "Boring"
but that's the word that people say
I don't even think that people mean what it means
(which is a whole area of linguistic theory that is worth exploring)

What did you call me back there?

[MrGongGong]

but I’m not sure that holding up a term and eliciting a Pavlovian reaction is useful with human beings (as opposed to dogs).

Knowing this IS useful if , as in this instance, you are a professional orchestral musician and you are about to work with people who don't habitually listen to the music that you spend most of your life playing and will use words that you might think that they are uninterested in the music you play.

[MrGongGong]

What did you call me back there?

I mean NO to Reospeedbollocks
and YES to La Monte and Karlheinz

[Serial_Apologist]

I think use of the term "square" to disparage classical music lovers probably came in early on in the rock 'n' roll era, the mid-fifties, when young people for the first time discovered a form of music that was different from that of their parents. I do remember in the late 50s being under a lot of peer-group pressure to go with the crowd; fortunately, trad jazz was popular culture - all sorts of complex reasons why so, in contradistinction with the notion that "the new" was supplanting the old entirely - but a few like me made a transition from trad to "modern jazz", which was still (in 1963) associated with Mod culture and therefore , (within 2 years Mods gravitated to R&B). Apart from jazz my musical teenage revolt against the parental generation was helped by modern works in the school record library; I remember grabbing several boys and telling them: "You reckon classical music is square? come and listen to this", putting on Bartok's Music for Strings, Harp and Celesta, and watching their faces light up.

[richardfinegold]

More focus should be placed on the social meaning of the event and its accessability, and less on getting the music 'right' (what ever that means). I'm sure a more diverse audience will result (and more diverse orchestras), and classical music will be given a new lease of life. Perhaps the administration of orchestras could be transfered to local borough councils. This would make them more accountable to the wider community.

I hope that this was intended as a joke.

[richardfinegold]

[QUOTE=Beef Oven;253385]Vibrato, bowing issues and variation of the original orchestration could be left to the orchestra.


How generous of you.

[MrGongGong]

I hope that this was intended as a joke.

In my experience he never jokes
he believes in some rather strange fantasies as well

[Beef Oven]

I hope that this was intended as a joke.

Yes, but it back-fired. It came across as serious, and I had to run with it for a while. Luckily the thread changed direction and I sloped off.

[Beef Oven]

[QUOTE=richardfinegold;254336]

Vibrato, bowing issues and variation of the original orchestration could be left to the orchestra.


How generous of you.

I was fecking joking, but it went wrong!!!!!

[MrGongGong]

[QUOTE=Beef Oven;254339]

I was fecking joking, but it went wrong!!!!!

you mean like the European ................. no no no stop , please don't go there

[Beef Oven]

I mean NO to Reospeedbollocks
and YES to La Monte and Karlheinz

Just so you know, you didn't inadvertently touch a raw nerve back there

[teamsaint]

[QUOTE=Beef Oven;254339]

I was fecking joking, but it went wrong!!!!!

Oh I don't know.

Also , every time I go into an Esso garage, which has the big slogan "on the Run" in neon, that bloody REO speedtrap song comes into my mind. You know the one beefy....

******* annoying.

[Beef Oven]

[QUOTE=teamsaint;254348]

Oh I don't know.

Also , every time I go into an Esso garage, which has the big slogan "on the Run" in neon, that bloody REO speedtrap song comes into my mind. You know the one beefy....

******* annoying.

[Beef Oven]

In my experience he never jokes
he believes in some rather strange fantasies as well

Parliamentary democracy is neither strange nor a fantasy.