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Hmm. Applying that rule would be interesting in the case of R.V.W. as the first one to be given a number was the eighth.
The extra rule was useful for those 'named' symphonies which would otherwise not qualify, such as Messaien's Turangalila, Liszt's Faust (or Dante) Symphony... or even Strauss' Alpine Symphony...
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Beethoven
Brahms
Borodin
Elgar
Mahler
Mendelssohn (up to when the singing starts)
Nielsen
Rachmaninov
Schubert
Schumann
Sibelius
Tchaikovsky
Vaughan Williams
Beethoven
Brahms
Borodin
Elgar
Mahler
Mendelssohn (up to when the singing starts)
Nielsen
Rachmaninov
Schubert
Schumann
Sibelius
Tchaikovsky
Vaughan Williams
Originally posted by il grande inquisitorView Post
the extra rule was useful for those 'named' symphonies which would otherwise not qualify, such as messaien's turangalila, liszt's faust (or dante) symphony... Or even strauss' alpine symphony...
Beethoven
Brahms
Borodin
Elgar
Mahler
Mendelssohn (up to when the singing starts)
Nielsen
Rachmaninov
Schubert
Schumann
Sibelius
Tchaikovsky
Vaughan Williams
No not against that opposition - Bruckner 2 would just about get in the top 9 Bruckner Symphonies.
Howard Hanson's No 2, then? ... 'Pianopeter' on the old BBC Boards kindly recommended this to me ... now there was a true forum gentleman (in every sense) of the old boards definitely missed by some of us!
Originally posted by Il Grande InquisitorView Post
The extra rule was useful for those 'named' symphonies which would otherwise not qualify, such as Messaien's Turangalila, Liszt's Faust (or Dante) Symphony... or even Strauss' Alpine Symphony...
But you can see, I included the last of these as no. 4, following 1, 2 & Sinfonia Domestica. With Berlioz, you just follow the opus numbers for nos. 1 - 4.
Not the easiest of tasks, particularly in the upper numbers. I need to acquire more knowledge. There could easily have been several - all? - by Vaughan Williams. Rachmaninov should by rights have qualified (2,3) and possibly Tchaikovsky (5,6). Was tempted to include Brian (1), Glazunov (1,7), Lloyd (6), Shostakovich (7) and Villa Lobos (8). Hovered briefly over Part (4). I actually prefer Brahms 3rd to his 4th but Copland had to go in. A lot of others too numerous to mention but rules is rules etc.
Not the easiest of tasks, particularly in the upper numbers. I need to acquire more knowledge. There could easily have been several - all? - by Vaughan Williams. Rachmaninoff should by rights have qualified (2,3) and possibly Tchaikovsky (5,6). Was tempted to include Brian (1), Glazunov (1,7), Lloyd (6), Shostakovich (7) and Villa Lobos (8). Hovered briefly over Part (4). I actually prefer Brahms 3rd to his 4th but Copland had to go in. A lot of others too numerous to mention but rules is rules etc.
1) Korngold
2) Elgar
3) Vaughan Williams
4) Schmidt
5) Sibelius
6) Mahler
7) stuck on this one... but certainly not Prokofiev or Shostakovich
8) Bruckner
9) Beethoven
(Note that Schmidt is making his first appearance in this thread. )
The premise is faulty, since it is severely biased in favour of composers of many symphonies (Elgar's 7th just isn't possible) and against those who wrote a small number (I can think of at least five Seconds that ought to be here).
However, here's my list:
1 Elgar
2 Kalinnikov (but Suk's Asrael should also be here, at least. And RVW, and Borodin, and Berwald)
3 Parry
4 Schumann (1851 version)
5 RVW
6 Atterberg
7 Sibelius
8 Schubert (i.e.: the 'Great' C major)
9 Dvorak
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