Charles Rosen - RIP

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  • Thropplenoggin
    • Oct 2024

    Charles Rosen - RIP

    I only just heard about this via an obituary at the bottom of the Guardian's home page: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012.../charles-rosen
  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
    Gone fishin'
    • Sep 2011
    • 30163

    #2
    Very sad news; a marvellously provokative and intellectually passionate writer.


    Horrible year, isn't it.
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    • EdgeleyRob
      Guest
      • Nov 2010
      • 12180

      #3
      RIP.
      What a depressing few days it's been.

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      • Op. XXXIX
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 189

        #4
        RIP indeed!

        One of the most stimulating books on music I ever read was Rosen's 'The Romantic Generation'. (Stimulating even when I didn't always agree. )

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        • Keraulophone
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 1943

          #5
          He had Style with The Classics - in performance and in print.

          'marvellously provokative' - orthographically provocative, fhg?

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          • ahinton
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 16122

            #6
            Originally posted by Keraulophone View Post
            He had Style with The Classics - in performance and in print.

            'marvellously provokative' - orthographically provocative, fhg?
            He had a most remarkable and, I believe extremely rare way of writing high intellectual work that was nevertheless eminently capable of communicating with anyone possessing intelligence, regardless of how well versed they might have been in musical literacy; perhaps the biggest problem with him was that his literary writings were so stimulating, engaging and persuasive that some people tended to forget his greatness as a pianist, which was always his primary priority in life.

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            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
              Gone fishin'
              • Sep 2011
              • 30163

              #7
              Originally posted by Keraulophone View Post
              'marvellously provokative' - orthographically provocative, fhg?
              But of kourse.




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              • Steerpike
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 101

                #8
                Both as a player and as a writer one of the greatest I've known. In Beethoven he removed all thoughts of an intellectual versus a 'feeling' approach, he was always and magnificently both. A real loss.

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                • ostuni
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 545

                  #9
                  Wonderful writer, wonderful pianist. When I was a music student in the 70s, he was a hero of mine - both from 'the Classical Style', and his LPs of the Beethoven late sonatas, so it was a great thrill to have him come to Durham to play the Boulez 2nd sonata and the Beethoven Hammerklavier in a recital. I was on the organizing committee, and have fond memories of staying up late into the night after the recital, drinking lots of beer, and listening to him expounding on a wonderful variety of topics.

                  Apropos of the Eroica thread, and the discussion of tempi in op106/i, I remember him being very firm that this is an Allegro, not an Allegro Maestoso: to play it too grandly is to rob it of its visceral power.

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                  • richardfinegold
                    Full Member
                    • Sep 2012
                    • 7546

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Op. XXXIX View Post
                    RIP indeed!

                    One of the most stimulating books on music I ever read was Rosen's 'The Romantic Generation'. (Stimulating even when I didn't always agree. )
                    "The Classical Style" taught me a lot, and I still look at it frequently, after 30 years.
                    He also made my favorite recording of Beethoven's Diabellis.
                    R.I.P.

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                    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                      Gone fishin'
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 30163

                      #11
                      Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                      perhaps the biggest problem with him was that his literary writings were so stimulating, engaging and persuasive that some people tended to forget his greatness as a pianist, which was always his primary priority in life.
                      Indeed:

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                      • Bryn
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 24688

                        #12
                        I regret that I only ever got to attend one of his recitals. It was of the three Op. 31 sonatas of Beethoven. They remain in my memory the benchmark against which all other performances of those sonatas are measured (and usually found wanting). His late Beethoven on disc is also to be treasured, including the CD included with some editions of The Classical Style.

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                        • aka Calum Da Jazbo
                          Late member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 9173

                          #13
                          His Classical Style has been passed on to sprog; i treasure this recording by him

                          According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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                          • gurnemanz
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 7361

                            #14
                            We saw him still on good form talking and playing at the Wiltshire Music Centre only last year. A formidable performer and intellect. I have his Art of Fugue on CD and shall play it today.

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                            • amateur51

                              #15
                              I became aware of Charles Rosen when I was working in record shops in the 1970s and he became involved with Wyn Morris and the Symphonica of London in recording Beethoven piano concertos (a project that was not finished, I think). During the same period Rosen recorded Beethoven Diabelli variations, a recording that I played over & over. It seemed to me that his playing was informed by a tremendous seriousness that was never dull and often instructive, a quality of seriousness that isn't often encountered today.

                              His books are a joy to read even though I have no technical musical education.

                              He has gone and that is sad, but just from the wealth of evidence given on this thread it is clear that his impact is enormous. His books and recordings are available, his infkluence lives on - it was a life well lived

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