"Elgar: the Man behind the Mask" on BBC4

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  • BBMmk2
    Late Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 20908

    #31
    Has Ed Gardner recorded the Apostles. i dont think he has? Be worth getting as the excerpt, with the schofar, was very well played and the interpretation spot on.
    Don’t cry for me
    I go where music was born

    J S Bach 1685-1750

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    • Northender

      #32
      Originally posted by Thropplenoggin View Post


      'Shofar, sho good.' Sean Connery

      I had the self-control/decency to resist posting that response ..... whistle:

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      • Op. XXXIX
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 189

        #33
        Originally posted by Oliver View Post
        I understand that Americans find Vaughan Williams more accessible than Elgar. All those fifths and open textures; perhaps it reminds them of Copland?
        Doubtful. Not that many parallel 5ths in Copland, perhaps more in Puccini territory wherein he throws in the 3rd, a sort of simplified Debussy.

        Vaughan Williams tends to be Über English to the Americans, at least when they can spell his name correctly, which is often a disaster on American message boards.

        Whatever. Let the Americans have their place in the sun, and any country which has produced a Gershwin is cause for major celebration. I rate him very highly -I adore his music- what a tragedy he left us so young. Can you imagine what he might have given us had he lived longer?

        No British composer at the time could match Gershwin for sheer spontaneity of music making. IMO of course.

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        • BBMmk2
          Late Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 20908

          #34
          That part-song that Elgar wrote late in his ife, what was it called, around 1928? Very moviong. Not like Elgar at all. Sparse!
          Don’t cry for me
          I go where music was born

          J S Bach 1685-1750

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          • EnemyoftheStoat
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 1132

            #35
            Owls?

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            • Pabmusic
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              • May 2011
              • 5537

              #36
              Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
              That part-song that Elgar wrote late in his ife, what was it called, around 1928? Very moviong. Not like Elgar at all. Sparse!
              I think it was Owls, with its repeated calls of "nothing". Yes it is sparse in effect, and it was in the Bridcut film, but it's from the Four Part-Songs, op. 53, which were published in 1907.

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              • Serial_Apologist
                Full Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 37699

                #37
                Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                I think it was Owls, with its repeated calls of "nothing". Yes it is sparse in effect, and it was in the Bridcut film, but it's from the Four Part-Songs, op. 53, which were published in 1907.
                Yes - one had to look that up, because the documentary gave the strong impression that Owls was a late work.

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                • aka Calum Da Jazbo
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 9173

                  #38
                  Sospiri did it for me ....

                  i felt this programme did its worthy best to make us nudge Elgar a fair bit higher in our estimation, and i am in complete agreement with that .... i suspect his greatness is masked by being British [we don't do greatness eh]
                  According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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                  • Serial_Apologist
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 37699

                    #39
                    Originally posted by aka Calum Da Jazbo View Post
                    Sospiri did it for me ....

                    i felt this programme did its worthy best to make us nudge Elgar a fair bit higher in our estimation, and i am in complete agreement with that .... i suspect his greatness is masked by being British [we don't do greatness eh]
                    Oh yes we do! - sometimes it even usurps an entire, double-lengthened BBC news programme.

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                    • aka Calum Da Jazbo
                      Late member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 9173

                      #40
                      no S_A i said GREATNESS ..... not infamy/idolatry take yer pick ....
                      According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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                      • Richard Tarleton

                        #41
                        Looking at all those photos and images especially in later years, I just can't help thinking about that moustache, and soup, and, erm, osculatory interference. I wonder what the two Alices and that other woman really thought....

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                        • aka Calum Da Jazbo
                          Late member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 9173

                          #42
                          ........... yep very ticklish that

                          [coat on etc]
                          According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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                          • gradus
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 5609

                            #43
                            I liked the device of showing the conductors and commentators listening and reacting to the music, it establishes a rapport with this audience member that talking heads can't always match. By the way, Michael Kennedy's seemed to possess an enviable collection of original letters from Elgar; not so easy to come by.

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                            • Nick Armstrong
                              Host
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 26538

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                              Looking at all those photos and images especially in later years, I just can't help thinking about that moustache, and soup, and, erm, osculatory interference. I wonder what the two Alices and that other woman really thought....
                              I confess soup never crossed my mind once...

                              However what I found absolutely fascinating about the footage of EE was the flickering mobility of his eyes - an absolute revelation of the man, in comparison with the static, marmoreal photographs.
                              "...the isle is full of noises,
                              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                              • BBMmk2
                                Late Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 20908

                                #45
                                Originally posted by aka Calum Da Jazbo View Post
                                Sospiri did it for me ....

                                i felt this programme did its worthy best to make us nudge Elgar a fair bit higher in our estimation, and i am in complete agreement with that .... i suspect his greatness is masked by being British [we don't do greatness eh]
                                Oh Jazzie yes! Sospiri everytime.
                                Don’t cry for me
                                I go where music was born

                                J S Bach 1685-1750

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