I have seen the future ...

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

well speaking as an effing pleb i completely concur with the gist of the article i linked to above ....

[french frank]

Well she's now 31

Actually 32 since her birthday is in June. A bit late to be starting on an operatic career. Hard to fit in with a daytime job.

[amateur51]

Actually 32 since her birthday is in June. A bit late to be starting on an operatic career. Hard to fit in with a daytime job.

Cheers french frank

[teamsaint]

What really got me angry was the comments on the article on the website, accusing those trying defend classical music from such drivel, as being snobbish and elitist. Those of us who really care about classical music have a right to defend the music we love from this repulsive and sickening downgrading. I wonder how many of those crying elitism would react if the music they loved was treated in the same manner. I bet they'd be just as outraged and protesting, but of course that wouldn't be regarded as elitist then I bet!

I think people who have a deep love of quality popular music , of various types, do have the same sort of thing inflicted upon them, and feel how most on these boards do about the classical brits.
Sorry if i missed the point there ! Meant in a heartfelt way !

[Suffolkcoastal]

Basically I was mentioning that when classical music lovers defend their music they are regarded as snobs and eltist, yet when quality real quality popular music, jazz, folk etc are defended this never seems to be considered elitist. Yes I agree that no musical genre should be made to suffer the sickening downgrading that has infected the commercial classical music world. The more other genres of music are also affected the worse the outlook for quality music of all genres generally.

[teamsaint]

Basically I was mentioning that when classical music lovers defend their music they are regarded as snobs and eltist, yet when quality real quality popular music, jazz, folk etc are defended this never seems to be considered elitist. Yes I agree that no musical genre should be made to suffer the sickening downgrading that has infected the commercial classical music world. The more other genres of music are also affected the worse the outlook for quality music of all genres generally.

I was really just responding from the heart SC. I agree with you, although of course that "elitist tag " does get applied to those who look for and speak for quality in other genres.
its not elitist to care. It is elitist to try to keep things to a small group, which incidentally is, or used to be a big failing in(some) lovers of quality popular music. get too near the top 40 and......
Not sure what I am saying now. Just have always wanted to see quality shine through,(from Joy Division to Bruckner) and the manufactured hyped rubbish sink. Which is why, in part, I have come to where I am ...seeking the quality and other (real) peoples help in finding it.

Actually, anybody crying "elitism" re criticism of the Classical Brits is surely just an idiot ?!

I hope to win "muddled post of the day" for this !

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Classic FM have never done true classical music any justice! Katherine Jenkins has said that she is an opera singer! Has she been in any productions at ROH Covent Garden or even ENO? I think not! Rusell Watson, Alfie Boe, GAWD!!!!

Alfie Boe is actually a well-trained singer who dumbs down (with interest and surtax).

[eighthobstruction]

Recession.....what recession....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19901386

[John Shelton]

Recession.....what recession....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19901386

"... classical recording artist." Perhaps it's a one-way ticket and no one has told her?

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Sarah Brightman is to "Classical" what Jedward is to Progrock.

[amateur51]

Sarah Brightman is to "Classical" what Jedward is to Progrock.

what George Formby is to HIPP?





I should point out that I am a great admirer of George and HIPP - but not together

[eighthobstruction]

HIPP is that one of those mis-sold banking loans....I'm at a loss me'Lud, is it one of those beat combos....

[teamsaint]

HIPP is that one of those mis-sold banking loans....I'm at a loss me'Lud, is it one of those beat combos....

what a shame that is wasn't just a case of a misplaced or over enthusiasm for cat gut strings and a distate for vibrato, but involved powerful banks ripping people off AGAIN.

[gingerjon]

At last: the Classic Brit Awards exposed as a sickening crime against classical music

And a response to that

[french frank]

And reading the Chris Gillett piece I feel more sad than angry. Commercial promotion, advertising, glamour raise people up to undeserved artistic status. It's the agents, managers and the whole publicity circus that are the real villains: the victims are the self-deluded - and very rich - individuals on whom all the celebrity falls.

Genuine criticism is out of favour, replaced by hype which is good enough for the general public who fork out the money. And the BBC which used to know better no longer does. The puppet-masters control them too.