How many Hammer blows does it take to fell a Mahlerian tree? (ans: five??)

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  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
    Gone fishin'
    • Sep 2011
    • 30163

    #16
    Originally posted by Alain Maréchal View Post
    What does a hammerblow of fate sound like?
    Da-Da-Da- Daaaaaah?
    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
      Gone fishin'
      • Sep 2011
      • 30163

      #17
      Sorry - that was a Yellowhammerblow of Fate.
      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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      • mercia
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 8920

        #18
        without luck I've been trying to find out on the internet what other works by other composers make use of the hammerschlag. Do the Carmelite nuns exit to hammer blows, for example ?

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        • Alain Maréchal
          Full Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 1286

          #19
          Originally posted by mercia View Post
          Do the Carmelite nuns exit to hammer blows, for example ?
          I believe Poulenc pointed out that wherever Les Dialogues des Carmelites had been staged the sound effect was wrong....except in Paris.

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          • Flosshilde
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 7988

            #20
            Originally posted by Alain Maréchal View Post
            The bass drums and timpani came over very effectively online and played through my audio equipment,
            I assumed you meant that it should be felt viscerally, a physical feeling. When I first heard the 8th, in the RAH, I could feel the organ more than hear it, but I've never experienced it in the same way listening on CD or the radio. I'm not sure that it would be possible unless one has very large & powerful speakers (& understanding neighbours )

            What does a hammerblow of fate sound like?
            Not terrifying. I think it would have a sense of inevitability - almost something you see approaching & are resigned to. Fassolt killing Fafner sounds about right.

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            • Flosshilde
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 7988

              #21
              Originally posted by mercia View Post
              Do the Carmelite nuns exit to hammer blows, for example ?
              The guillotine (presumably Parisians are more familiar with the true sound).

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              • bluestateprommer
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 3010

                #22
                Perhaps pointlessly reviving this old thread, I recently listened to Bernstein's 1967 Columbia recording of Mahler 6, and I thought I heard something resembling a 3rd hammer blow in the finale at about 26:01. Not sure if others here have the same impression; any thoughts would be good to read.

                BTW, speaking of the NY Phil and Mahler 6, Forumites here might be interested in checking out a concert recording off the NY Phil's site of Semyon Bychkov recently leading Mahler 6 with them:

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                FWIW, there's also a Mahler 6 with its current music director:

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                • Beef Oven!
                  Ex-member
                  • Sep 2013
                  • 18147

                  #23
                  Originally posted by bluestateprommer View Post
                  Perhaps pointlessly reviving this old thread, I recently listened to Bernstein's 1967 Columbia recording of Mahler 6, and I thought I heard something resembling a 3rd hammer blow in the finale at about 26:01. Not sure if others here have the same impression; any thoughts would be good to read.
                  Just had a quick listen - I think what you hear is Lenny dropping his wallet.

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                  • ahinton
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 16123

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                    Just had a quick listen - I think what you hear is Lenny dropping his wallet.
                    !!!

                    So he got his performance fee in advance, then?

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                    • Nick Armstrong
                      Host
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 26540

                      #25
                      Excellent Mahler-hammer in Liverpool!

                      "...the isle is full of noises,
                      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                      • vinteuil
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 12846

                        #26
                        Originally posted by mercia View Post
                        without luck I've been trying to find out on the internet what other works by other composers make use of the hammerschlag. Do the Carmelite nuns exit to hammer blows, for example ?
                        .
                        Originally posted by Alain Maréchal View Post
                        I believe Poulenc pointed out that wherever Les Dialogues des Carmelites had been staged the sound effect was wrong....except in Paris.
                        .https://www.quora.com/In-the-opera-D...e-finale-scene
                        .

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