Should Schubert have been paired with another, and if so, who?

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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
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    #31
    Originally posted by eucalyptus44 View Post
    I largely agree with Makropulos - in common with heaps of others, it's the endless trailers and the rather silly interactive element with all those tweets and emails.
    Yes. This is the real issue, though I still think super-saturation of a composer's work does him/her nor favours.

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    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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      • Sep 2011
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      #32
      Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
      Yes. This is the real issue, though I still think super-saturation of a composer's work does him/her nor favours.
      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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      • makropulos
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        • Nov 2010
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        #33
        Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
        Yes. This is the real issue, though I still think super-saturation of a composer's work does him/her nor favours.
        Obviously a matter of taste. I sometimes do super-saturation myself - though of course it's my choice to do that, and I get to choose the composers/genres too - so it's not quite the same thing as R3's marathons. But I've greatly enjoyed my own total immersion in the likes of:
        Bach Cantatas
        Opera cycles: Janacek, Britten, Verdi, Wagner, Mozart, Strauss
        The as complete-as-I-can-get Vaughan Williams
        Ditto Elgar
        Ditto Schütz
        And even a weekend of wall-to-wall G&S (I'm sure some people can think of nothing worse...but I had a whale of a time :) )
        and so on...

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        • hackneyvi

          #34
          I feel giving the music some kind of context, just a leavening of music broadly contemporary would have been fascinating - an exploration of Schubert in the period.

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          • Roehre

            #35
            Originally posted by makropulos View Post
            Obviously a matter of taste. I sometimes do super-saturation myself - though of course it's my choice to do that, and I get to choose the composers/genres too - so it's not quite the same thing as R3's marathons. ...
            I've got that tendency myself too.
            But I never have immersed myself exclusively into one composer / genre or whatever.
            Listening to many works of one composer, or one era can be very addictive and ofcourse very illuminating, but I always use(d) to listen to music "outside " that box too, as it were to rinse the palate :) .
            The Schubertiade and other R3 immersions deny the listener that chance - IMO an missed chance therefore.

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            • DracoM
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              • Mar 2007
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              #36
              'Fraid I have found this whole bizarre event from Sunday a.m. unlistenable to. Have not listened to a minute of R3 for 5 days - almost unheard of.
              If you pair S with Beethoven, S more or less disappears without trace IMO.
              If you pair him with Schumann, Schumann disappears without trace.
              Maybe a 20th century pairing? Debussy? Duparc?

              OR
              Why not a writer? Mighty readings of Goethe in translation? Or our own Keats and Shelley? Might have contextualised and educated at the same time and done away with a lot of the twaddle and verbiage the presenters have perpetrated.

              For me, much of [not all] the packaging, the sheer stupid, dumbed down crap that has been served up not by Franz S but by the home team at R3 itself has done irreparable damage to what is being presented, and the late-evening Schubert request thing has been so, so embarrassingly cringeworthy, inept and badly handled. It is a huge own goal and damaged R3's reputation. They are not going to live this down.

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              • makropulos
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                • Nov 2010
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                #37
                Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                'Fraid I have found this whole bizarre event from Sunday a.m. unlistenable to. Have not listened to a minute of R3 for 5 days - almost unheard of.

                Why not a writer? Mighty readings of Goethe in translation? Or our own Keats and Shelley? Might have contextualised and educated at the same time and done away with a lot of the twaddle and verbiage the presenters have perpetrated. .
                That might have been excellent idea - it could have worked very well. Maybe Goethe and other writers/poets/dramatists around Schubert's time (heaven knows, Schubert set enough of them, though I think his favourite novel was what he called "Der letzte der Mohikaner").

                (As for Schumann disappearing without trace - that's never going to happen as far as I'm concerned, whoever he's paired with !)

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                • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                  Gone fishin'
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 30163

                  #38
                  Originally posted by makropulos View Post
                  (As for Schumann disappearing without trace - that's never going to happen as far as I'm concerned, whoever he's paired with !)
                  Err - shouldn't that be "whomever"?
                  [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                  • makropulos
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                    Err - shouldn't that be "whomever"?
                    Oh Gawd.... apologies for the lapse :)

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                    • Pabmusic
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                      • May 2011
                      • 5537

                      #40
                      Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                      Err - shouldn't that be "whomever"?
                      Or even whomsoever?

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                      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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                        • Sep 2011
                        • 30163

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                        Or even whomsoever?
                        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                        • Pabmusic
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                          • May 2011
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                          #42
                          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post

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