And talking of piano concertos, does Dvorak's come into the category of works outside the composer's comfort zone? He admitted he could not write a virtuoso concerto, more one in which the piano was primus inter pares. It is still quite rarely performed, though Richter recorded it.
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Has no one mentioned Brahms's first symphony? He might have got into his symphonic stride thereafter, but according to him it was over twenty years from initial ideas to venturing to present the finished work.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
Perhaps citing Elgar's Piano Concerto is a little unfair,as the composer only left a handful of sketches amd Mr Walker's completion is not in the same league as Anthony Payne's realisations. Ditto for The Spanish Lady, made into a performing version by Dr Percy Young, who, for all his knowledge of Elgar's music, had little orchestral technique (in my opinion).
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Originally posted by JFLL View PostMaybe, but I'll shift my ground and say that the fact that they weren't finished proves they were outside Elgar's comfort zone! But I think on reflection you're right -- should one perhaps ban completed sketches and arrangements from this thread? DublinJimbo?
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Originally posted by Rolmill View PostApologies MrGG, just seemed like a good example of someone way outside his comfort zone....though it may not make DJ too popular with his group
Having to actually work with musicians is more than a little outside macca's comfort zone IMV rather than getting someone much more musically adept to do it for him ..............
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Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
Having to actually work with musicians is more than a little outside macca's comfort zone IMV rather than getting someone much more musically adept to do it for him ..............
Speaking of Richard Rodney Bennett, , in a Radio 3 interview at the time of his 70th birthday celebrations, he $apologised$ to the listeners for basing part of his Third Symphony on a 12-tone row. I much prefer the earlier RRB, eg the 1964 Aubade, to the later, which to me comes across as pale facsimiles of late Walton. A composer who, imo, is perhaps at his best when out of his comfort zone (and maybe also the regular Breakfast afficionado's)?
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Sullivan's Irish symphony, his Cello concerto and the Overture In Memoriam might fall in this category too, though IIRC all of these were composed before any of his works in collaboration with Gilbert.
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Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View PostAm I not right in thinking that the composer Wretched Rodney Bin-It had a considerable fist in both McCartney works?
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Originally posted by mercia View Postwould Sibelius's piano music be considered in discomfortland ?
Surely much further into the frozen wastes of discomfortland is Elgar's piano music. I have a few bits played by John Ogdon as fillers to his LP of the piano quintet: all utterly forgettable IMO - I speak in sorrow as an Elgar-lover. Has anyone ever bothered to record a complete cycle? I guess by now somebody must have, in which case the key question is: Did anyone buy it?Last edited by LeMartinPecheur; 18-03-12, 23:20.I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!
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