Not good pieces by good composers

[Roehre]

A piece of Elgar's which he IMO should have withheld from publication: Concert-allegro for piano

[Pabmusic]

A piece of Elgar's which he IMO should have withheld from publication: Concert-allegro for piano

I agree. Actually, he did withhold it - it's only been published in the last 30 years or so. He tinkered with it for years without getting it right.

[rauschwerk]

A piece of Elgar's which he IMO should have withheld from publication: Concert-allegro for piano

But when neither Boosey or Schott would pay him 40 guineas for it, he put the MS away and it was not published until 1982.

[salymap]

Glad I've never heard it then.

[Pabmusic]

But when neither Boosey or Schott would pay him 40 guineas for it, he put the MS away and it was not published until 1982.

Yes. Wasn't commissioned by (?) Fanny Davies, who performed an early version?

[MrGongGong]

I just remembered Stockhausen's Lucifer's Dance,
which was the low point of the otherwise excellent festival at the South Bank a few years ago

[Boilk]

I just remembered Stockhausen's Lucifer's Dance,
which was the low point of the otherwise excellent festival at the South Bank a few years ago

Aren't you forgetting 1991's rather mediocre Oktophonie? I've admittedly heard only the stereophonic realisation, but even if the sound is tossed around eight speakers I can't imagine the octophonic version having any more musical substance.

[3rd Viennese School]

Tchaikovsky Swan Lake.

And the tedious mvt 8 from the Nutcracker suite.

And his other awful European Walzes.

Why does the radio/ record companies etc. play /issue just these over and over?
They keep neglecting his superb large darkly dramatic symphonies!

3VS

[MrGongGong]

Aren't you forgetting 1991's rather mediocre Oktophonie? I've admittedly heard only the stereophonic realisation, but even if the sound is tossed around eight speakers I can't imagine the octophonic version having any more musical substance.

It was a bit iffy in the QEH but brilliant at the Proms

ooops I was confusing it with Cosmic Pulses

sorry

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Tchaikovsky Swan Lake.

And the tedious mvt 8 from the Nutcracker suite.

And his other awful European Walzes.

Why does the radio/ record companies etc. play /issue just these over and over?
They keep neglecting his superb large darkly dramatic symphonies!

3VS

Well I agree about Valse des Fleurs, but I was only listening to Swan Lake a couple of weeks ago and to me it remains a supreme acheivement even after so many hearings.

[cloughie]

Tchaikovsky Swan Lake.

And the tedious mvt 8 from the Nutcracker suite.

And his other awful European Walzes.

Why does the radio/ record companies etc. play /issue just these over and over?
They keep neglecting his superb large darkly dramatic symphonies!

3VS

I don't mind them played as full suites but annoyuing over and again as BCs. There was an interesting juxtaposition of Tchaik waltzes ONF Masur on Ao3 a week or two ago, spoiled by the interruption of applause.

[verismissimo]

I was only listening to Swan Lake a couple of weeks ago and to me it remains a supreme acheivement even after so many hearings.

Oh yes!

[Parry1912]

They keep neglecting his superb large darkly dramatic symphonies!

I think that 'neglecting' is putting it a bit strongly.

[teamsaint]

the Mendelssohn string symphonies.
I know he was very young, but i just cannot understand what some people see in them. They may be a real achievement for one so young, but they are a dull old listen in my view.

[Roehre]

the Mendelssohn string symphonies.
I know he was very young, but i just cannot understand what some people see in them. They may be a real achievement for one so young, but they are a dull old listen in my view.

With the possible exception of no.8 (the one of which Mendelssohn made a version with winds) I agree.
But FMB didn't publish them.

A composer with hardly any weaknesses in his output (as he destroyed everything which he thought was under par) nevertheless published one: Brahms' Triumphlied op.55 for choir and orchestra, celebrating the unity of Germany under Bismarck, 1871. IMO a handelian misconception, musically and certainly textually.