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  • Panjandrum

    Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
    Before I go to bed I'm going play some Schubert on CD to assuage my ire.
    Interesting that you choose a CD ahead of the radio, where I understand they are playing Schubert at the moment. In fact, if you text SM-P, Gurney, then she will probably play Gretchen just for you.
    Last edited by Guest; 27-03-12, 07:50.

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    • Panjandrum

      Originally posted by hackneyvi View Post
      I have the impression of a lot of chatter and alot of snippets. Unfinished Schubert juvenalia and muddy-sounding, scholarly rescorings over breakfast did nothing to inflame my ardour. Four repetitions of 'The Spirit of Schubert' in the space of a few seconds was a turn off.
      They have fallen into the pit of their own making in seeking to be all things to all men/women. It's this damned need to be accessible, and not put anyone off by coming over too high falutin', don't you know? There is scholarship out there, and Graham Johnson and Brian Newbould are definitely worth hearing, but that actor "impersonating" Schubert. What was it I heard on Saturday about him describing his infatuation for some young Viennese ("Yes sirree, she's one hot honey")? To paraphrase Lady Bracknell, I believe German has always been an eminently respectable language, and even allowing for issues of translation, that seemed a phrase unlikely to be one the young Franz would have used.

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      • Norfolk Born

        Happily, the German language, and Schubert's reputation, will survive the current outburst of simulated chumminess. Meanwhile, back in the real world, there are dramatic developments a-plenty in Corrie!

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        • Nick Armstrong
          Host
          • Nov 2010
          • 26524

          Originally posted by hackneyvi View Post
          I have the impression of a lot of chatter and a lot of snippets. Unfinished Schubert juvenalia and muddy-sounding, scholarly rescorings over breakfast did nothing to inflame my ardour. Four repetitions of 'The Spirit of Schubert' in the space of a few seconds was a turn off.
          Absolutely, and the Breakfast formula is bringing out the worst of it... The trailers....!!!! As others have said, what on any view is the point of filling the programme one is actually listening to with repetitive trailers for itself?! .... I'm already listening to it you morons!!!! What's the point?!?

          I too like the idea of comparing lots of versions of sonatas, symphonies, songs even (though if I hear another Erlkönig I'm going to abduct the firstborn of someone high up in Radio 3 and... ) - but the way it's being done... Can they really not be mortified with embarrassment?

          "...the isle is full of noises,
          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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          • Norfolk Born

            Ils n'ont aucune pudeur. I'm sorry, but not that surprised, that a degree of disillusionment is starting to creep into your Schubertathon-related messages...

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            • kernelbogey
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 5738

              Originally posted by Master Jacques View Post
              [...] this (for me) occasionally dispiriting Schubertiad-Grundschwein week[...]

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              • Panjandrum

                Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                Absolutely, and the Breakfast formula is bringing out the worst of it... The trailers....!!!! As others have said, what on any view is the point of filling the programme one is actually listening to with repetitive trailers for itself?! .... I'm already listening to it you morons!!!! What's the point?!?

                Ah, but you must remember that 90% of the breakfast audience don't even know what station they're tuned into it. This is all about subliminal marketing and product placement.

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                • kernelbogey
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 5738

                  Originally posted by ucanseetheend View Post
                  There was an episode on the "spirit of " talking about Schubert and his mates and what they got up to, There needs to be some reference to the fact that Schubert died at 31 of syphilis because he was screwing around sexually with multiple whore females.
                  I wonder what is actually known about this. A little searching on the internet has turned up little, and even the diagnosis of syphillis seems to be questioned by some. Sean Rafferty (nearly typed Fafferty ) on Sunday made a passing reference to there being more to come on this. Presumably a society that was shamed about sexuality would not record what these young fellahs got up to.

                  Incidentally, there was a reference, also by SR on Sunday, to Schubert and his mates having been picked up by the secret police: 'Schubert's writing was said to be never the same afterwards' - presumably an inference of torture.

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                  • french frank
                    Administrator/Moderator
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 30255

                    Originally posted by Resurrection Man View Post
                    A long time lurker, I now feel compelled to rise to the defence of DracoM. I feel he has hit the nail on the head. I like Schubert..a little..a few pieces..but only in small doses. Radio 3 was switched off last Saturday.

                    Could someone please wake me up when this ghastly Schubert-fest (or is that Infestation?) is over?
                    Welcome to the forum, Resurrection Man! Hope you'll cease to lurk when R3 gets back to 'normal' and that you'll chip in on the topical debate
                    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                    • Nick Armstrong
                      Host
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 26524

                      Originally posted by Resurrection Man View Post
                      A long time lurker, I now feel compelled to rise to the defence of DracoM. I feel he has hit the nail on the head. I like Schubert..a little..a few pieces..but only in small doses. Radio 3 was switched off last Saturday.

                      Could someone please wake me up when this ghastly Schubert-fest (or is that Infestation?) is over?
                      Good to read a first post, as always, RM Even though it's a sad one, about the great Radio 3 switch off...
                      "...the isle is full of noises,
                      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                      • Nick Armstrong
                        Host
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 26524

                        Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                        Tom Service sticks his head about the parapet ...

                        http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/to...ok-tom-service
                        Thanks for this heads-up Ammy. I have appended my opinion in the interesting 'comments' section under Mr Service's item...
                        "...the isle is full of noises,
                        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                        • Nick Armstrong
                          Host
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 26524

                          Originally posted by Norfolk Born View Post
                          Ils n'ont aucune pudeur. I'm sorry, but not that surprised, that a degree of disillusionment is starting to creep into your Schubertathon-related messages...
                          Indeed, Norfy Still, thanks for the good news that there is much to look forward to next weekend in the Corrie omnibus!
                          "...the isle is full of noises,
                          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                          • Pabmusic
                            Full Member
                            • May 2011
                            • 5537

                            Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                            Incidentally, there was a reference, also by SR on Sunday, to Schubert and his mates having been picked up by the secret police: 'Schubert's writing was said to be never the same afterwards' - presumably an inference of torture.
                            There was an incident in early 1820 when Schubert and three friends were arrested. Schubert and two others were 'cautioned' for "enveighing against officials with insulting and opprobrious language" (I wish I could find the original German!) and released. The fourth, Johann Senn, was tried and got 12 months' imprisonment, followed by exile from Vienna. No authority I can find suggests torture, which (strange as it may seem) would have been anachronistic for Metternich's Vienna.

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                            • aeolium
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 3992

                              Perhaps the choice of Schubert's Death and the Maiden music in Ariel Dorfman's play has an additional significance....

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                              • amateur51

                                Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                                Can they really not be mortified with embarrassment?

                                Probably not, while the Administrator of this august forum doesn't appear to know what time it is

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