Schubert on 3

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I agree that the trailers and some of the presentation have been risible but I'd be surprised if a true music lover didn't find something to tempt them.....................

If none of that appeals, lord 'elp us.

If I am to be labelled as not a true music lover, then so be it.
Nothing will tempt me to sit though the drivel from the presenters so clearly hinted at in the pathetic, sickly trailers.

Oh, and by the way, I've heard most of that interesting list before, and even have some of the CDs, including the complete DFD lieder.

[JFLL]

I agree with you both, Panjandrum and Roehre – once you actually get to the unadorned music, there are some real delights – and thank you for your recommendations, which I'll look for on the iPlayer.

One big problem, I feel, is that many of us are probably pretty selective at this late stage of our musical journeys, and would like a much more comprehensive list of what's actually been played (or even talked about), so that we could go to a chosen piece fairly quickly on the iPlayer. Radio Times, and the schedules on the R3 website, give a very incomplete picture (which doesn't stop them telling us exactly when the Lav is to be Serviced, of course!). Does anyone happen to know whether there is a more comprehensive list somewhere, with times? Not necessarily of music still to be played, but of music which already has?

[Roehre]

I agree with you both, Panjandrum and Roehre – once you actually get to the unadorned music, there are some real delights – and thank you for your recommendations, which I'll look for on the iPlayer.

One big problem, I feel, is that many of us are probably pretty selective at this late stage of our musical journeys, and would like a much more comprehensive list of what's actually been played (or even talked about), so that we could go to a chosen piece fairly quickly on the iPlayer. Radio Times, and the schedules on the R3 website, give a very incomplete picture (which doesn't stop them telling us exactly when the Lav is to be Serviced, of course!). Does anyone happen to know whether there is a more comprehensive list somewhere, with times? Not necessarily of music still to be played, but of music which already has?

I use iPlayer as well as my skybox for TtN and Breakfast. Re Breakfast: from approximately noon the playlist of breakfast is available online, and it is pretty accurate. Essential Schubert is not bad either (though some items were skipped), TtN is really accurate to the minute - and its playlist is available in advance.

The rest grosso modo can be missed IMO - too much inane nonsense to be bothered anyway. Unfortunately some pieces will be missed, but you'll never know as the playlists of these programmes are something of a state top secret -at least these are not published (or I haven't found them).

[JFLL]

Thank you so much, roehre -- that's really helpful. The TtN playlist is superbly detailed, isn't it? I see now that the thing to do is to go to each programme's page rather than to the general schedules. (No wonder you set your recorder to record all night, with all those rare operas!)

[Panjandrum]

Does anyone happen to know whether there is a more comprehensive list somewhere, with times? Not necessarily of music still to be played, but of music which already has?

If you have no objection to using Twitter, there is an account, https://twitter.com/#!/schubertnow, which publishes the full schedule, and is updated for each work performed in real time. I've found it to be reliable. I was able to find the first two symphonies tucked away in the wee small hours, just as I was mentally composing my sardonic email that their boast about playing every single work was shot down. Thus, if one wants to find a particular work (e.g. the Fantasy in C for violin and piano) one just searches on the page, remembering to expand the page beyond the first page of tweets, and you can then find exactly what date and time it was played. A little further research tells you what programme it featured on, and then go to the iplayer and, Hey Presto!

[Panjandrum]

Nothing will tempt me to sit though the drivel from the presenters so clearly hinted at in the pathetic, sickly trailers.

Well, among the presenters, Graham Johnson has been an ever present "curator" on "In Tune". His contributions have never been less than enlightening, as one would expect. Ditto, to a lesser extent, Brian Newbould (not a natural communicator); and Roy Goodman, inter alia. Occasionally, the juxtaposition of scholarship and populism, does give the feel of one of those kids' TV shows where they wheel on some socially inept professor to give the programmng some sense of (spurious) authority, before reverting back to inane badinage. My advice would be to listen on the iplayer and you can mute or FF through the "drivel".

[DracoM]

But should we have to FF through the drivel? This is R3, not.........oh, hang on a mo, maybe it is R2 after all in all but name.
Poor Schubert, poor Radio 3. Both getting serious flak.

[Panjandrum]

But should we have to FF through the drivel? .

No, of course we shouldn't. I loathe this style of presentation as much as you, and am constantly shouting "shut the **** up" to whoever is trying to jolly me up. I'm just pointing out that there are good things still to be heard without enduring the fingernails on blackboard stuff.

Incidentally, some wag has just posted on the Facebook page that Radio 3 should have a new slogan based on its obsession with Schubert's apparent fondness for strudel: "An ace caff with a nice little radio station attached".

[JFLL]

If you have no objection to using Twitter, there is an account, https://twitter.com/#!/schubertnow, which publishes the full schedule, and is updated for each work performed in real time. .....!

Thanks, Panjandrum, that's extremely useful, too -- especially for the pieces you've missed when you've recently switched off in exasperation at the wittering!

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Well, among the presenters, Graham Johnson has been an ever present "curator" on "In Tune". His contributions have never been less than enlightening, as one would expect. Ditto, to a lesser extent, Brian Newbould (not a natural communicator); and Roy Goodman, inter alia. Occasionally, the juxtaposition of scholarship and populism, does give the feel of one of those kids' TV shows where they wheel on some socially inept professor to give the programmng some sense of (spurious) authority, before reverting back to inane badinage. My advice would be to listen on the iplayer and you can mute or FF through the "drivel".

I don't deny that there are many "good" presenters, but sifting through the chaff is unnecessarily time consuming. Life is just too short, and I'm enjoying taking time out and listening to my Furtwangler 107 CD box set (which includes some Schubert).

[Pianorak]

Translation please. Someone somewhere on this thread mentioned the German word "Grundschwein". Google Translate hasn't heard of it and I have led rather a sheltered life. Something to do with a pig, methinks.

[vinteuil]

... think of the film - "Groundhog Day"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groundhog_Day_(film)

[Norfolk Born]

Akin perhaps to Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence? The normal German word for ground hog, aka woodchuck, would, I think be 'Waldmurmeltier'.

[vinteuil]

The normal German word for ground hog, aka woodchuck, would, I think be 'Waldmurmeltier'.

but in the American Dietsch it wd seem to be Grundsau ...

http://blog.distelfink.org/2012/02/02/der-grundsaudaag.aspx

http://pdc.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grundsau

[kernelbogey]

But Grundschwein oder Grundsau are much funnier than Waldmurmeltier.

Thus we can have German composite nouns like Schubertgrundschweinstag, Schuberttvittergrundssaurerei, Schubertvorschaugrundschweinerei and so on und so weiter.