BaL 3.12.11 Brahms Clarinet Quintet (merged threads)

**Barbirollians** · 25-11-11, 07:17

What a scandal that the Gervase de Peyer/Melos recording appears to be deleted ?

**rauschwerk** · 25-11-11, 07:20

Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post

What a scandal that the Gervase de Peyer/Melos recording appears to be deleted ?

Oh for heaven's sake - surely you don't expect all recordings to be available all the time?

**Barbirollians** · 25-11-11, 07:25

What rattled your cage so early in the morning ? It is a recognised classic and another sad example of how EMI treats its back catalogue endlessly deleting and then reissuing.

It is I find in any event available in the Melos Ensemble Icon box .

**rauschwerk** · 25-11-11, 07:49

Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post

It is I find in any event available in the Melos Ensemble Icon box .

There you are then. Would you not suppose that the great majority of those who (like me) admire this recording already have it? I'm willing to bet that it has been available for most of the 45 years since it was first issued.

I would imagine that back catalogue is regularly reissued to repeatedly bring it to the attention of buyers in an extremely crowded market (see post 1). No harm in that, surely?

**vinteuil** · 25-11-11, 08:37

given Professor Lawson's background* I hope he will be able to point to an interesting HIPP performance - I love Kell/Busch, but wd really like to get a good HIPP version too...

* https://www.battleofideas.org.uk/ind...ker_detail/41/

**rauschwerk** · 25-11-11, 08:46

Surely the clarinet had assumed its modern form by the time this piece was written? If that be the case, then the only HIPP issue is: gut or metal strings?

**John Skelton** · 25-11-11, 09:02

Originally posted by rauschwerk View Post

Surely the clarinet had assumed its modern form by the time this piece was written? If that be the case, then the only HIPP issue is: gut or metal strings?

Mühlfeld played on a Bärmann System clarinet. This was a more elaborate model of the Müller-Heckel clarinet of 1845 and was devised by Carl Bärmann in conjunction with Georg Ottensteiner of Munich about 1860. It was for this model that Carl Bärmann wrote and fingered his famous method between 1864 and 1873. The Bärmann System clarinet seems to have been played mainly by Carl Bärmann and Richard Mühlfeld.

Page not found – International Clarinet Association

http://www.clarinet.org/Anthology1.asp?Anthology=12

Mühlfeld played on slightly out-of-date Bärmann-system clarinets by Georg Ottensteiner, made of boxwood, at a time where most players were using blackwood instruments and a more advanced mechanism.

M&B (MOZART & BRAHMS) Clarinet Quintets. Eric Hoeprich, London Haydn Quartet

http://www.glossamusic.com/glossa/reference.aspx?id=67

Fine recordings of classical music. Special focus on early music and limited editions of book-CDs.

(I have Hoeprich's / London Haydn Quartet recording, which I like though haven't played it - or listened to the quintet - in a while. Must give it a re-listen).

**aeolium** · 25-11-11, 09:02

I am particularly fond of the performance by Thea King and the Gabrielis, but I confess I have not heard many of those in EA's list. I'd like to hear something of the Thurston/Griller recording.

**vinteuil** · 25-11-11, 09:48

Originally posted by rauschwerk View Post

Surely the clarinet had assumed its modern form by the time this piece was written? If that be the case, then the only HIPP issue is: gut or metal strings?

HIPP isn't only about instruments (tho' I was very interested to read John Skelton's #8 above... ) - it's also about techniques, styles of playing, rhetoric, phrasing, sense of line, degrees of portamento and vibrato etc...

**gurnemanz** · 25-11-11, 10:32

I am never quite sure if they count only for download items. Not on the list is the only version I have on CD - the excellent Berlin Phil Octet recording with Herbert Stähr which Gramophone once had as the best available: http://www.deccaclassics.com/cat/sin...UCT_NR=4461722

Amazon.com are in fact still selling it: http://www.amazon.com/Brahms-Complet.../dp/B0000041C0

I suspect it won't figure.

**Barbirollians** · 25-11-11, 11:07

I like that King/Gabrieli version very much too aeolium. She was a player who really let music speak for itself.

**Don Petter** · 25-11-11, 11:13

I’m never sure if downloads count, either, but one of my favourites, which is not listed, is available from Amazon as a download for just £5.99, (including the Horn Trio, with Franz Koch):

Leopold Wlach, with the Vienna Konzerthaus Quartet.

**Biffo** · 25-11-11, 12:50

Whatever its availability the de Peyer/Melos version is my favourite.

**Bryn** · 25-11-11, 12:57

Originally posted by Biffo View Post

Whatever its availability the de Peyer/Melos version is my favourite.

It's in the delightful, and delightfully low priced, 11 disc EMI Melos Ensemble Icon box:

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BaL 3.12.11 Brahms Clarinet Quintet (merged threads)

BaL 3.12.11 Brahms Clarinet Quintet (merged threads)

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